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Deranzin
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 15:49 |
Ander wrote:
Myr wrote:
Trivium is at war with Valar and had a siege up. EE attacked that siege.
EE is at war with Dlords and had a siege up. Trivium attacked that siege.
Why is the second one so much worse than the first one? They look pretty similar to me.
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I suppose everything is a blur for Myr, but I have marked the worst part (and the first part) in bold.
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I see that the GregoRokin school of "insult someone in your posts while pretending to make sense" is expanding. 
Nice manners guys, the "jolly yet trigger happy hippy" act is really amusing. 
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Ander
Postmaster General
Joined: 24 Apr 2011
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 15:36 |
Myr wrote:
Trivium is at war with Valar and had a siege up. EE attacked that siege.
EE is at war with Dlords and had a siege up. Trivium attacked that siege.
Why is the second one so much worse than the first one? They look pretty similar to me.
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I suppose everything is a blur for Myr, but I have marked the worst part (and the first part) in bold.
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twilights
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 15:35 |
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remember this is a silly game
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Mandarins31
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Joined: 05 Jun 2010
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 15:34 |
abstractdream wrote:
Without declaring war on us you attacked our siege on a VALAR city, one of your Confederates. In my opinion, doing that without a declaration was fine. |
Indeed, you have to expect alliances of a same side in a war to help each others.
abstractdream wrote:
Siege breaking is a time honored tradition here in Illyriad. [...] we don't feel ONLY attacking armies in the field is an act of war. Guess we were wrong. |
I thought exactly the same, but H? declared war against VIC and Absa because they broke a siege; they were "ONLY attacking armies in the field". Apparently we both are wrong, Abstractdream.
If you're neutral and want to respect this tradition, you should send units towards any siege, not regarding who owns the siege. If you focus your attacks against only one side you naturally will be considered as an ennemy by this side.
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Myr
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Joined: 26 May 2011
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 15:28 |
Brids17 wrote:
abstractdream wrote:
You constantly (the use of that word is a bit much but since you guys killed so much more of ours than we did of yours, I figured I could use it as well) attacked our siege and refused to declare war. I don't see a difference. |
Are you kidding? If someone punched you, that's assault. If you punch them back, that's self defense. Two entirely different things. You can't send a siege against someone and then when they retaliate and criticize you for it, call them hypocrites. And for the record, I think they're letting you guys off pretty easy, even if their hands are tied due to the war. If you tried the same stunt with mCrow you'd have a lot more to worry about than a war declaration and a forum post. |
Trivium is at war with Valar and had a siege up. EE attacked that siege. EE is at war with Dlords and had a siege up. Trivium attacked that siege. Why is the second one so much worse than the first one? They look pretty similar to me.
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Brids17
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 15:21 |
abstractdream wrote:
You constantly (the use of that word is a bit much but since you guys killed so much more of ours than we did of yours, I figured I could use it as well) attacked our siege and refused to declare war. I don't see a difference. |
Are you kidding? If someone punched you, that's assault. If you punch them back, that's self defense. Two entirely different things. You can't send a siege against someone and then when they retaliate and criticize you for it, call them hypocrites. And for the record, I think they're letting you guys off pretty easy, even if their hands are tied due to the war. If you tried the same stunt with mCrow you'd have a lot more to worry about than a war declaration and a forum post.
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abstractdream
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Joined: 02 Oct 2011
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 14:44 |
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I know you can't be bothered to follow up on your own thread in any sort of timely manner but I'm gonna post this anyway.
You DID NOT edit the spelling mistake but instead chose to make a "trivial" joke out of our name. There is an edit button but you didn't use it. Whatever, but don't deny what is clear to everyone paying the slightest bit of attention.
Without declaring war on us you attacked our siege on a VALAR city, one of your Confederates. In my opinion, doing that without a declaration was fine. Siege breaking is a time honored tradition here in Illyriad. It was annoying to loose thirty thousand plus troops AFTER the city fell but we don't feel ONLY attacking armies in the field is an act of war. Guess we were wrong.
We attacked your siege on a former TLR member (for those not in the know, TVM basically used to be TLR.) We answered a call. I see no difference in the two situations other than we are only in a NAP with Dlords. I guess we were wrong again.
I don't particularly care about your declaration, since you made your intentions to leave it at that publicly clear here. What I care about is your attempt to smear my family. "Tivium have constantly attacked seiges that we are performing and refuse to declare war, we will do so to make sure everyone knows what the stakes are." You constantly (the use of that word is a bit much but since you guys killed so much more of ours than we did of yours, I figured I could use it as well) attacked our siege and refused to declare war. I don't see a difference.
The truth is you and your alliance's actions are hypocritical. You have never approached me with anything other than a palpable disdain. When you sent one of your general membership to insist I answer a rude and demanding message, I replied and made it clear we would not be answering such requests again. You may feel you have some authority in the northern region but I assure you, we do not agree.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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HATHALDIR
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 12:54 |
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let me do it in small sentences, and no references, we declared war because TRIVIUM had attacked us, when asked if they were going to declare war, they said they had no intentions of telling us future diplomacy, so we took the situation out of their hands and declared, i cannot see too much coming of this, but it will let them know our intentions if they attack us and our confederates. And i edit spelling mistakes. As i probably won't read the forums for another week, enjoy the endless to-ing and fro-ing !!! Love you all!
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There's worse blokes than me!!
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scaramouche
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 12:25 |
Deranzin wrote:
scaramouche wrote:
I wasn't referring to the trivial reference Denzarin..but their siege on a confed alliance without declaring...even you seem to focus on the small detail without seeing the bigger picture. |
Do you even read what we are writting .?.
I already said that I do not judge the reasons for going to war (and I am obviously in no position to do so), but I cannot notice and laugh at the hypocricy of people that on the big war pretend to be peaceloving hippies that chant "give peace a chance" on every occasion and on smaller wars suddenly go trigger-happy and make silly doupleposting "mistakes" (as if there isn't an edit button). 
I respect yout opinion, but if this is not the "bigger picture" for you, then this is not my problem.
Tordenkaffen wrote:
Oh come on...with all the drama this actually *is* a little funny =) |
What drama ? I am having grand fun with all that ...  |
As, so many have stated, so many times, in so many threads...everyone has their own opinion and views...you see the hypocrisy as the bigger deal, I see Haths reasons for this thread as the bigger deal...so we'll agree to dis-agree.
Besides, claiming to be " peace loving hippies " doesnt mean to say that people can walk all over you without some come back.
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NO..I dont do the Fandango!
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Deranzin
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 12:16 |
scaramouche wrote:
I wasn't referring to the trivial reference Denzarin..but their siege on a confed alliance without declaring...even you seem to focus on the small detail without seeing the bigger picture. |
Do you even read what we are writting .?.
I already said that I do not judge the reasons for going to war (and I am obviously in no position to do so), but I cannot notice and laugh at the hypocricy of people that on the big war pretend to be peaceloving hippies that chant "give peace a chance" on every occasion and on smaller wars suddenly go trigger-happy and make silly doupleposting "mistakes" (as if there isn't an edit button). 
I respect yout opinion, but if this is not the "bigger picture" for you, then this is not my problem.
Tordenkaffen wrote:
Oh come on...with all the drama this actually *is* a little funny =) |
What drama ? I am having grand fun with all that ... 
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