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abstractdream 
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Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
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 Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 19:37 |
 Mandarins31 wrote:
abstractdream wrote:
Without declaring war on us you attacked our siege on a VALAR city, one of your Confederates. In my opinion, doing that without a declaration was fine. |
Indeed, you have to expect alliances of a same side in a war to help each others.
abstractdream wrote:
Siege breaking is a time honored tradition here in Illyriad. [...] we don't feel ONLY attacking armies in the field is an act of war. Guess we were wrong. |
I thought exactly the same, but H? declared war against VIC and Absa because they broke a siege; they were "ONLY attacking armies in the field". Apparently we both are wrong, Abstractdream.
If you're neutral and want to respect this tradition, you should send units towards any siege, not regarding who owns the siege. If you focus your attacks against only one side you naturally will be considered as an ennemy by this side.
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You are correct, we are not neutral. I do not begrudge the declaration, only the theatrics attempted by EE's leader to make TVM look "trivial."
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Bonfyr Verboo
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abstractdream
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 19:34 |
Brids17 wrote:
abstractdream wrote:
You constantly (the use of that word is a bit much but since you guys killed so much more of ours than we did of yours, I figured I could use it as well) attacked our siege and refused to declare war. I don't see a difference. |
Are you kidding? If someone punched you, that's assault. If you punch them back, that's self defense. Two entirely different things. You can't send a siege against someone and then when they retaliate and criticize you for it, call them hypocrites. And for the record, I think they're letting you guys off pretty easy, even if their hands are tied due to the war. If you tried the same stunt with mCrow you'd have a lot more to worry about than a war declaration and a forum post. |
Just to be clear: TVM did not send a siege against EE. Also, you are saying mCrow policy is to declare war on the alliance they send siege breakers against? Because that is what EE did NOT do when they attempted to break our siege on a VALAR city, who by the way has not posted a thread in the Illy Forum to smear us.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Le Roux
Wordsmith
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 17:31 |
This thread is a bit amusing I suppose. A huge war is going on, a minor alliance is used as a pawn in the war and eventually gets war declared on them for it... is there anything else to this? Seems like 4 pages of going over the obvious?
So what about other things... is there going to be a tourney soon? In honor of Illy's 3rd anniversary coming up? If so.... will everyone participate ? ... anyone ?
Edited by Le Roux - 20 Jan 2013 at 18:30
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twilights
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 17:28 |
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seems this might be more of a strategy move, very interesting. beware of who ur big neighbor is, someday they might value your land....this game is getting more and more territorial, it would be horrible if other alliances that have members spread across the map get involved. watch what path your leadership takes alliance members, u might end up paying for the ticket, always remember u can sit out this war by going to neutral alliances!
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Brids17
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 17:02 |
Myr wrote:
Trivium is at war with Valar and had a siege up. EE attacked that siege.
EE is at war with Dlords and had a siege up. Trivium attacked that siege.
Why is the second one so much worse than the first one? They look pretty similar to me.
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Last I checked Trivium and Dlords don't have a confederation, let alone a long standing relationship with them. It's pretty different for a confederation to help each other than it is for a month and a half old NAP alliance to jump into a war just because they can.
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Deranzin
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 16:52 |
Ander wrote:
Grego is nowhere in this thread, and yet you drag his name only to insult him. |
No, I am just stating a fact. Since when stating FACTS is an insult in your dictionary .?. 
Also, making fun of a FACT is not an insult, last time I checked a dictionary ...
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I need not elaborate whose school is "insult someone in your posts while pretending to make sense". And you teach manners. Not at all amusing.
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Yes, in fact you need to elaborate because unlike your leader's case where I can find a heap of posts where he insults me (in the same off-hand manner you copied), you will be hard pressed to find even one of my posts where I insulted anyone. 
Just a small matter of FACTS you see, so maybe it is nothing for you to be really worried about ...
| I don't know whether anyone will actually care about the truth of this situation, but I feel the need to make sure that it is at least an option. This type of behavior is too reminiscent of the reasons for which the members of Trivium recently broke away from TLR. |
I think many people playing the game do care about what is going on within it, so worry not, despite some funny bickering (sorry about my part in that btw, but it is so funny ! ) people are reading this topic and they are forming their opinions.
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Elmindra
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 16:41 |
No and No Abraxox. Number 1, you sieged a confed so expect for that siege to be attacked. Anything different would be idiotic and I refuse to believe you are that dumb. Number 2, Trivium itself may be a new alliance but you have been assisting in offensive sieges to "help" your friend Fromfrak since the beginning of the war. Your members in Trivium helped raze a number of Druids towns in Ursor while they were still in TLR. If you were truly content to live in peace alongside EE you would not be involved in military action.
You come on these forums crying foul when you have been the aggressor. Don't cry pity me when you are declared upon.
Edited by Elmindra - 20 Jan 2013 at 16:52
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Abraxox
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 16:27 |
HATHALDIR wrote:
Tivium have constantly attacked seiges that we are performing and refuse to declare war, we will do so to make sure everyone knows what the stakes are.
This is merely a simple announcement, try not to run away with yourselves!
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To be accurate, let's deal with facts. TRIVIUM is a new, fairly small alliance, comprised mostly of smaller players. A couple of TRIVIUM members (mock and trivialize all you wish if it makes you feel better about yourself) attempted to assist Fromfrak, a former alliance member from TLR who asked for help against blockades. This was after EE member Haller wiped out thousands of our troops, an action that Hathaldir didn't even know about until I brought it to his attention. And now, it is from this situation that Trivium has constantly attacked sieges (liberties taken to correct spelling). I have a different understanding of what the word "constantly" actually implies.
Yesterday, I had a neighbor to neighbor communication with a member of EE regarding an unrelated matter, and Trivium's minor assistance of Fromfrak was mentioned. As a result, I forwarded the Battle Reports showing major interference against us by Haller (in an operation which we were involved in due to a blood-debt to one who saved our players during TLR's final conflict.) I also forwarded copies of these communications to Hathaldir. I thought the issue had been settled.
Rather than attempting to communicate with civility, which I attempted to do yesterday by politely bringing Haller's actions to the attention of Hathaldir through IGMs, today Hathaldir has decided to "send a message" via a Declaration of War. He later decided to back-rationalize that he did so because of confederation. I'm sure that EE could probably murder Trivium, given the size difference and player levels, but I certainly cannot quietly abide the casual manner in which war has been declared upon TVM under false pretenses, attempting to malign our reputation through inflammatory rhetoric.
I don't know whether anyone will actually care about the truth of this situation, but I feel the need to make sure that it is at least an option. This type of behavior is too reminiscent of the reasons for which the members of Trivium recently broke away from TLR. Trivium has not constantly attacked EE sieges, and I guarantee that no one can produce Battle Reports which indicate otherwise. Trivium has been content to live peacefully next to our EE neighbors, and it saddens me that Hathaldir has decided to declare an unjustifiable war. I have to deal with enough real-life violence through my work, and I dread unnecessary conflicts within Illyriad. I can only speak for myself on the following, but I have no intention of committing acts of aggression against my EE neighbors, despite what their leader is trying to instigate.
Edited by Abraxox - 20 Jan 2013 at 16:37
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Elmindra
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 16:04 |
I would add to this as well if possible. The player reference whom is a friend is Fromfrak, who was in TLR. I have defended many a siege on fellow Druids members in the north, and every single siege was reinforced by members of TLR who now comprise Trivium.
Don't pretend that you only had a dog in this fight because of a loss of troops on a siege on Valar. You have been in this fight before Trivium was even formed, so what exactly do you expect to happen.
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Ander
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Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 16:04 |
Deranzin wrote:
I see that the GregoRokin school of "insult someone in your posts while pretending to make sense" is expanding.
Nice manners guys, the "jolly yet trigger happy hippy" act is really amusing. 
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I was replying to Myr. I thought she was deliberately ignoring the real reason that led to the war declaration. My remark was about that.
Grego is nowhere in this thread, and yet you drag his name only to insult him. I need not elaborate whose school is "insult someone in your posts while pretending to make sense". And you teach manners. Not at all amusing.
Edited by Ander - 20 Jan 2013 at 16:04
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