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ajqtrz
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Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 03:37 |
I'm reminded by your post of Victor Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning" in which he says that a man can endure any "how" if he has a reason "why." Not sure what in your post triggered that, but there it is. I do think that it is impossible to sustain life without a drive to do so, as it is pretty obvious that forms of life without the drive to procreate would be at a severe disadvantage and probably die out pretty quickly. Perhaps the very definition of life is something that has a drive to grow and reproduce itself. Interesting. In any case, the need to explain life comes from the use of language, I think. Richard Weaver talks about "God and Devil" terms, as does Kenneth Burke (though they use the concepts in different ways, I might add). Both though, understand that language has hierarchical valuations with concepts attached to some words having more impact and others less. In the end I think, since we have a desire to continue we may use language to align the "god terms" with ourselves and the "devil terms" more with our enemies...thus creating a narrative of the hero where we are the main character. Weaver's book, "Ideas Have Consequences" is a short and easy read, btw. When I was a younger man (some would say when I was a young man but I prefer 'younger;), I thought about the drive to continue. We do so through procreation but we also want our actual self to continue. Genes are fine and we will settle biologically if we must, but most we do wish to do more than procreate, so that we, the individual me, is remembered. I wonder if that comes out of language too. As for faith, I would argue that you still have it for the beginning of faith is faith in yourself, that you are sane and sensible and thus that it is sane and sensible to put your faith in something. Once you have faith in yourself you can truly explore all sorts of dark alleys. I once didn't have faith in myself. For a couple years of my life things were pretty dark. But as I healed from the trauma I found I became a much more grateful for the things I have and less desirous of that which I merely dreamed of having. Well, sorry, I'm rambling a bit here, so I'll stop. Tomorrow I'll explore the relationship between language and meaning I think. AJ |
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Posted: 14 Aug 2015 at 03:19 |
I agree that we create our own explanations of life and thus it's meaning. However, there is a limit to which we can go. We may wish to say we are God, but when we try to walk on water we drown. Thus, the narrative we would like to construct of ourselves is always limited by our actual self. As for the dual brain phenomena, I'm going to post something on that soon......and I'll include the history of the use of metonymic and metaphoric as appropriate and useful terms. AJ |
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Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 01:26 |
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Asking questions is a natural process of the mind we have been given by evolution. We evolved to wonder where the food is and what obstacles are in our way. As the modern world eliminates the minute by minute focus on survival, the falling away of objective struggle gives us time to either build on our own subjective struggle or focus on different questions. Letting go of the falsities of the river of words that swirl around in our heads is the only way to gain the focus needed to see which is which. The relative comfort of modern life gives us the opportunity to expand and expound on questions. We seek answers from where we feel the best answers will come but in the end, the answers we give ourselves are the most profound. I went through the process. I began with faith and felt there had to be more. I questioned and realized faith was taught to me, as I truly had none. I realized meaning was illusion and immediately fixated on death. Even with that dawning of infinity, I never had even an inkling of desire to end my own life.
At some point I understood that my existence would be what I made it. Having been born with a desire to live, I began assigning my own meaning to life. Once I did that, realizing that what I willed could actually be, I focused on being happy. |
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Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 00:11 |
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I think it's possible that we create our own meanings, and that the meanings we create can lead to misery or contentment. This is both powerful and dangerous. Powerful because we may create meanings that lead us to attempt to change circumstance. Dangerous because our attempts to change circumstance may go awry -- or may work perfectly, with disastrous results.
As an aside, I think that the distinctions made between "right brain function" and "left brain function" are generally too broadly drawn in your comments. While there may be some broad truth to it, the distinction between metaphor and metonymy in my opinion is an attempt to force reality into a set of already conceived boxes. I say this as a person who has experienced a Wada test. (Read the wikipedia article on dual brain theory in which the Wada is referenced here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_brain_theory.) My personal experience tends to support some aspects of dual-brain theory, but also makes me cautious about relying on simplistic explanations for brain function. For example, one could also suggest that the verbal/non-verbal association is related not to left vs. right brain but to amygdala vs. hippocampal processing of memories -- that is, how memories are encoded. I encourage you to look further into the work being done in that area, particularly with regard to traumatic memory.
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Posted: 12 Aug 2015 at 21:54 |
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Did I say cow...I meant goat...of course it is a well known practice to lock away the farm animals when your around and it seems you got a major Jones for dogs if we can judge from the subjects you pick for your topics......grins....I would also like to point out that rikoo is finally allowing fee expression in the forums which is much needed to make an online MMO game successful and I want to congrats him for adopting new lengency
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ajqtrz
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Posted: 12 Aug 2015 at 21:06 |
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Thexion, you are right, I believe, that what you do makes small changes, but knowing of those changes are eternal is different than knowing that they last for some time or other. The usual formation of the question "Does what I do have meaning," when looked at from a perspective of the infinite ends with a question mark. We really only know the significance or effect of what we have done when we can measure it...and our abilities to measure the impact of what we are doing fades very rapidly as we look to the future. But we are wired to the infinite and to the finite. Most people, I think, want to believe that what they are about here and now is important, but to know it's important they have to conjecture a future state of things where what they are doing right now has helped create. In fact, even if they were to suppose that what they are doing now has a measurable impact a million years from now, they still have to contend with the question of if it will still have measurable impact on things two million years from now, and then three...and so on.
As for it being human hubris, as I understand the use of hubris, it means a bit of foolish pride. Perhaps people do take too much stock in being but to some without "faith, hope and love" life is depressing. And since depressed people sometimes end their own lives, from an evolutionary standpoint it would seem developing an answer to the question of "why" may be natures way of preserving the gene pool. In other words, the question itself may be genetically driven. Why the human mind wants to have meaning is, I think, a significant question. Being is its own meaning, as somebody once said, but the quality of being counts too. My personal belief is that it all boils down to the structures of the mind and our use of language. Artefore, two things about where I get the time: 1) I type like a madman ..about 85 wpm or more when I really get going; and 2) most of what I write about I've been writing about for forty years or so, give or take. So I have a wealth of experience writing about things and a large storehouse of information/readings etc...from which to draw. And I actually like this type of thing. Twi, I'm not sure why such an interesting topic should be left in the fields. I personally like this cow and the free intellectual milk isn't too bad either. |
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Thexion
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Posted: 12 Aug 2015 at 20:17 |
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In my humble opinion as radical it might be "Meaning of life" is mainly human hubris. Why would life need any other meaning than it already has? Does human life need any higher meaning than all the rest of the life in the world? Regardless what you do life has a connection to infinite all your actions and decisions will make small changes that cannot be undone.
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Posted: 12 Aug 2015 at 08:17 |
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Where do you get the time to do this?
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"don't quote me on that" -Artefore
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Posted: 12 Aug 2015 at 01:16 |
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Thanks for reminding me that I need to go...and there is a saying that a well fed cow should be left in the fields until the morning...we can say the same for this topic....
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Posted: 11 Aug 2015 at 22:42 |
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