Thoughts From A New Player On Current Controversy

Your point is well taken Deranzin, and I'm sure there are other details that neither of us has thought of. My intention wasn't to provide a detailed recipe for reprogramming the game; just to suggest a different approach. My concern is whether the current approach is sustainable over the long term. As a (retired) professor of mathematics who has consulted on real-world studies with similar issues (limited resources in confined or restricted environments), my conclusion (based only on past learning, not specific analysis of this game) is that it's not. But as a scientist I hope I'm wrong -- that's the only way I'll learn something new.

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Rasak wrote: This isn't about the mine... this is about Absa attacking Rhy. If this was about the mine then Absa shoulda spoke to Rhy first. Mines never go away after all. Since they did not speak to them in hopes to settle the matter diplomatically we can only see their attack as the first strike. This is hard to dispute.

Actually itwould be far more productive if this was about solving the the dispute between Rhy and Absa  rather than focusing on who might be to be blame for this minor dispute - which looks set to become a server wide war. It is a simple matter and would avert a A POINTLESS WAR.

Rasak wrote: The problem is measured responses are measured by those with the most ability to respond. Absa sent a certain force which was responded to by a certain ability held by Rhy. If the ability Rhy responded with was more than Absa could contain it would have been a good idea to speak to them about a way to solve the problem early to make peace for many losses. They figured they had the upper hand and had more ability so they called in Vic. Once this was seen Rhy called in H? It went a long ways from here but I am sure the picture is painted. Absa bit off more then they can chew :D They need to discuss peace terms with Rhy asap :D

I do agree to some degree but again looking at it from our perspective its different then being in the leaders position. RHY gets attacked and gets threatening messages from ABSA and dealt with it accordingly. Now surely you would deal with it different I am sure but when you talk with ABSA and diplo talks are met with insults then its safe to assume the next move would be lethal force. Its part of why diplo talks are critical to a guild if you want to avoid unnecessary issues where as it does not seem to be the goal with ABSA when they met diplo talks with 'come at me'.

Also RHY vs ABSA + SkB was relatively close 4.5 mil vs 3.5 mil and 1.2 mil  (in the order of guilds listed). Which RHY didn't involve anyone until after the fact that VIC came to ABSA + SkB's aid (which already had a population advantage). So to resolve an issue that Absa +Skb already had an advantage in as far as pop goes they involve a guild that almost has more than all 3 guilds combined.

Now I am sort of near to the politics of Illy so I like to just discuss some basic ideas of it. The escalation could of been stopped at it simply being a war between RHY and Absa+SkB. This would of saved a number of players the trouble that has come upto this point. It could of been worked at peacefully before it escalated however it seems ABSA chose not to early on and therefore it went futher.

What this means is that its hard to label H? as the reason for all this happening when there were 2-3 other steps before them joining that the issue could of been fixed but people chose not to. If a guild I decided to speak with more or less told me to F off when I went to them to resolve an issue then conflict is pretty much the next logical choice as diplomacy has already failed.

Khells wrote: Dear Rasak,  You and I have discussed this before, so I will try and keep it short. I know you think that reinforcing siege camps is the same as defending Rhy from aggression. But look at what those siege camps are doing? Destroying player cities. And why, over troop loses over some dumb mine. Shoot, loses in Tourneys are far greater and we voluntarily do that FOR FUN (or try to have fun, combat in this game needs a LOT of development). The term to understand is "Measured Response". You are an American, you know what I mean.

Cities are a painful loss but sometimes there are repercussions for things that happen. Diplomacy broke down heavily and it shows when some of the messages were shown (later taken down because of mod rules on the forums I still have yet to understand). Though to some it may be a bit much for what happened others may deem it a fair punishment. If anything it may be a lesson for future dealings with other guilds that diplomacy may be a useful tool to avoid similar situations.

At the time of said messages they obviously didn't seem to take RHY seriously more so because they probably figured Consone would back them and Consone vs RHY they figured they could bully them into what they wanted. This however didn't work as planned and now the repercussions that came from it people are crying foul on.

Absa pretty much demanded war when they pretty much told RHY to come at them. I guess they planned to get VIC to run to their aid and the rest of Consone. H? simply stepped in to help a guild being bullied.