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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 22:17
Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

ive lost count on how many times its been stated in the forums that there never was a definitive consone leadership...Jasche said on a few occasions at the present time when all this came about, that consone leadership was made from the leaders of all the member alliances.

Not having a SPECIFIC CENTRAL leadership is one thing and those respective leaders (or top alliance members in this case) contradicting one another is totally another thing. 

Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

Consone was a project that was never given the time to finalise matters such as this due to ( obviously the war) different time zones between alliance leaders and difficult communication.
well..Deranzin...if you can honestly tell me H or you for that matter could organize a complex organisation such as consone was/is in such a short period without some chaos..then your a better man than most.

There you have it : 

http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/alliances-one-whole-or-many-parts_topic4648_post61043.html?KW=platoon#61043

within it there is also another link, but I'll put it here as well : 
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/rhyagelle-responds-to-absaroke-aggression_topic4306_post55952.html?KW=platoon#55952

And it is not a matter of being better or not because this is a problem solved since antiquity, so I do not accept that sentence of yours. It is just common sense on how to progressively move from leading a small group, to leading a larger group and then and even larger group and so forth. 

So, it is not that Consone never had the time to come in fruition, but it was flawed to begin with, by its design. (the arguments for that, in the links)
Oh well..then I guess there's no more talking with you about it then ..is there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 22:59
Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:

Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

"Deranzin....."

So what is the difference between Consone and Coalition in that matter? Maybe H is percieved as God by some of your minions but I doubt that Bonaparte or Belargyle for instance would see themselves as mere troopers in your platoon.

Agreed.. and for the record.. no one perceives H as 'gods', though it was typed in the this forum for the apparent purpose to rile people up over it.. and it apparently worked, and I understand why.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 23:41
Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

"Deranzin....."

So what is the difference between Consone and Coalition in that matter? Maybe H is percieved as God by some of your minions but I doubt that Bonaparte or Belargyle for instance would see themselves as mere troopers in your platoon.

First of all, quit it with the "god" nonsense ... taking a roleplaying antique and beating like a dead horse around the forums is really bad taste/manners. 

Second problem is that I never stated that the Coalition is being led by rank and this is your supposition. As far as I am concerned the Coalition is a leadership based on knowledge.

And last but not the least, even with your unfounded supposition, why did you place prominent players like these in the lowest rank .?. I find it mindly amusing that you think that such splitting tactics work or that you seem to think that they cannot read the aforementioned post on their own and place themselves in their correct position in the Coalition hierachy and thus take offence at my simple analogies (which as I said are known solutions from ancient times) .?. 

But even if I naively take your question at face value and we SUPPOSE that there are ranks, it is OBVIOUS that if someone would be in the trooper category that is players my size and with my "powers" within his alliance's hierarchy (just a mere "full member"), while people like Bonaparte and Belargyle that you mentioned would obviously have many many stars on their rank and of course the relative powers along with their status. Again all these only with the supposition that those ranks exist in the manner you supposed. Proof that rigid ranks do not exist is my ability to write all those things without any worries of any limitations imposed by my low position in the hierarchy ... and if you find that proposition a bit weird try overriding hierarchy in the army by stating your opinion, in a real rank based leadership, and tell me how that worked out for you ! LOL LOL

Also, according to the previous posts, the striking difference between the Coalition and Consone is that with the Coalition you know whom to speak with and who is responsible for what branch and there is (judging from the posts in these forums) a concensus on the basic matters (you know, like goals/objectives) that any confed should agree upon and so they do not contradict each other with each post. Pretty basic/obvious stuff for any organisation of people comprized by more than 3 people and I am still amazed how Consone considers itself as an actual confederation without even the most basic forms of communication and common ground between its leaders.

Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

Oh well..then I guess there's no more talking with you about it then ..is there.

Clap And then you people wonder why noone takes your cries for "peace" seriously ... you ask a question, you get your answer and just because you do not like the said answer your next argument is "now I am not talking to you". No arguments, no reasonable counterposition, nothing ...  Quite mature behaviour eh .?. LOL

If you think that my advice is unsound or that I am wrong, hey, good for me ... but for the sake of argueing, do try to at least defend your position/idea/opinion with something better than a childish "niah niah niah I am not listening to youuuuuuu" Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 23:45
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Originally posted by belargyle belargyle wrote:


Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

"Deranzin....."

So what is the difference between Consone and Coalition in that matter? Maybe H is percieved as God by some of your minions but I doubt that Bonaparte or Belargyle for instance would see themselves as mere troopers in your platoon.

Agreed.. and for the record.. no one perceives H as 'gods', though it was typed in the this forum for the apparent purpose to rile people up over it.. and it apparently worked, and I understand why.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 23:50
Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

"Deranzin....."

So what is the difference between Consone and Coalition in that matter? Maybe H is percieved as God by some of your minions but I doubt that Bonaparte or Belargyle for instance would see themselves as mere troopers in your platoon.

First of all, quit it with the "god" nonsense ... taking a roleplaying antique and beating like a dead horse around the forums is really bad taste/manners. 

But I like being seen as a god. Cry

Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

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Pretty basic/obvious stuff for any organisation of people comprized by more than 3 people and I am still amazed how Consone considers itself as an actual confederation without even the most basic forms of communication and common ground between its leaders.
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Well, Consone has a HUGE organizational advantage over Coalition - I hear they have a Consone Chat Channel. Shocked

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 00:40
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Sorry, I am no soldier, and as usual I got lost reading your post somewhere between those bolded words. Could you please simplify your observations for me, so I can understand it too. What is real difference between Coalition and Consone?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 00:55
Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

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What is real difference between Coalition and Consone?

Consone purported to be a Mutual Defense Organization.   Consone alliances blindly supported each other without looking into the causes of disputes.  The result was bullying.

The Coalition was formed as a working group of alliances to address the bullying of Consone.  I have no idea to what extent or in what form the Coalition will continue following the war.  I have noticed already evolution (new bonds) in diplomacy among elements of the Coalition.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 01:20
Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

 ... taking a roleplaying antique 

Now that's not a nice way to talk about TD at all!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 01:41
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

 ... taking a roleplaying antique 

Now that's not a nice way to talk about TD at all!

LOL
Now that is just funny!  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 01:56
Originally posted by The_Dude The_Dude wrote:

Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

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What is real difference between Coalition and Consone?

Consone purported to be a Mutual Defense Organization.   Consone alliances blindly supported each other without looking into the causes of disputes.  The result was bullying.

The Coalition was formed as a working group of alliances to address the bullying of Consone.  I have no idea to what extent or in what form the Coalition will continue following the war.  I have noticed already evolution (new bonds) in diplomacy among elements of the Coalition.




So for you breaking sieges of allied cities is just cause for starting large scale war and sieging even more accounts which never participated in any hostility?

Let me remind you what was our bullying: one player sent army to allied mine two squares from allied city, and announced it five days before arrival. Occupant broke agreement and didn't withdraw on time. Apart that mine square there was no hostility from our side against anyone, military or diplo.

How can anyone see that as bullying? Your accusations are bizarre, and you repeat them over and over and over again....and again

and you didn't answer my question
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