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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 22:17
Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

ive lost count on how many times its been stated in the forums that there never was a definitive consone leadership...Jasche said on a few occasions at the present time when all this came about, that consone leadership was made from the leaders of all the member alliances.

Not having a SPECIFIC CENTRAL leadership is one thing and those respective leaders (or top alliance members in this case) contradicting one another is totally another thing. 

Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

Consone was a project that was never given the time to finalise matters such as this due to ( obviously the war) different time zones between alliance leaders and difficult communication.
well..Deranzin...if you can honestly tell me H or you for that matter could organize a complex organisation such as consone was/is in such a short period without some chaos..then your a better man than most.

There you have it : 

http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/alliances-one-whole-or-many-parts_topic4648_post61043.html?KW=platoon#61043

within it there is also another link, but I'll put it here as well : 
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/rhyagelle-responds-to-absaroke-aggression_topic4306_post55952.html?KW=platoon#55952

And it is not a matter of being better or not because this is a problem solved since antiquity, so I do not accept that sentence of yours. It is just common sense on how to progressively move from leading a small group, to leading a larger group and then and even larger group and so forth. 

So, it is not that Consone never had the time to come in fruition, but it was flawed to begin with, by its design. (the arguments for that, in the links)
Oh well..then I guess there's no more talking with you about it then ..is there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 22:05
Originally posted by Grego Grego wrote:

"Deranzin....."

So what is the difference between Consone and Coalition in that matter? Maybe H is percieved as God by some of your minions but I doubt that Bonaparte or Belargyle for instance would see themselves as mere troopers in your platoon.

Agreed.. and for the record.. no one perceives H as 'gods', though it was typed in the this forum for the apparent purpose to rile people up over it.. and it apparently worked, and I understand why.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 21:09
"Deranzin....."

So what is the difference between Consone and Coalition in that matter? Maybe H is percieved as God by some of your minions but I doubt that Bonaparte or Belargyle for instance would see themselves as mere troopers in your platoon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 20:47
Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

ive lost count on how many times its been stated in the forums that there never was a definitive consone leadership...Jasche said on a few occasions at the present time when all this came about, that consone leadership was made from the leaders of all the member alliances.

Not having a SPECIFIC CENTRAL leadership is one thing and those respective leaders (or top alliance members in this case) contradicting one another is totally another thing. 

Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

Consone was a project that was never given the time to finalise matters such as this due to ( obviously the war) different time zones between alliance leaders and difficult communication.
well..Deranzin...if you can honestly tell me H or you for that matter could organize a complex organisation such as consone was/is in such a short period without some chaos..then your a better man than most.

There you have it : 

http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/alliances-one-whole-or-many-parts_topic4648_post61043.html?KW=platoon#61043

within it there is also another link, but I'll put it here as well : 
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/rhyagelle-responds-to-absaroke-aggression_topic4306_post55952.html?KW=platoon#55952

And it is not a matter of being better or not because this is a problem solved since antiquity, so I do not accept that sentence of yours. It is just common sense on how to progressively move from leading a small group, to leading a larger group and then and even larger group and so forth. 

So, it is not that Consone never had the time to come in fruition, but it was flawed to begin with, by its design. (the arguments for that, in the links)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 20:18
how can this even be consider a true war when people are restricted when attacking the other side. ask the question why alagos is not touched in the west or why people seldom lose more than one or two towns. many military functions are not allowed against consone. its the consone leaders that are causing this war to go on and on, they need to surrender and accept terms. our side is showing great patience waiting for them to do what is best for their alliance members and accept their failure as leaders. personally i am disapponted in the dirty play involving their manipulation of others to cause harm to their opponents but be warned, even though i am a forgivng person, others might not be so inclined.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 18:30
Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Originally posted by scaramouche scaramouche wrote:

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stop talking such drivel..never once have i said this war is driving ppl out of the game...and 2 ppl leaving our alliance  cos of the fear of war does not represent the rest of our alliance...get your facts right.

Maybe you didn't, but others in Consone do and I called you on that the other time as well ... so, how is someone to know what Consone is thinking when there is NO OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE and everyone has a different opinion effectively contradicting his own comrades in Consone .?. 

So, when it comes to some people getting "facts right", I think that you should start by actually coordinating what is your opinion as a whole and then collectively uphold it, instead of that chaos of different opinions.
ive lost count on how many times its been stated in the forums that there never was a definitive consone leadership...Jasche said on a few occasions at the present time when all this came about, that consone leadership was made from the leaders of all the member alliances.
Consone was a project that was never given the time to finalise matters such as this due to ( obviously the war) different time zones between alliance leaders and difficult communication.
well..Deranzin...if you can honestly tell me H or you for that matter could organize a complex organisation such as consone was/is in such a short period without some chaos..then your a better man than most.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 16:00
Originally posted by EvilKatia EvilKatia wrote:

Well I think you got what he said wrong Hadus : no matter what he says  it wont really stop the war or change it.

Same for what I say or what you say or what unnivolved others say. 

It is up to those at war to decide to end it or not to. 

That doesn't mean nothing interesting get said or that you won't have interesting conversation.

It just mean that its not very probable anything that get said here (on this thread or the next one to be created ) will change the course of the war or will get the feuding alliances to make peace.


Well, that's certainly part of it, and I agree. Our opinions mean very little and can do very little when we are outside the scope of the conflict. But scottfitz seemed to be using that as rationale for not posting at all, based on his quote, which I don't agree on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 08:35
 The opinions of many Coalition and Consone members are pretty much irrelevent and they are directly involved, the only relevent opinions are those of the people who control these two confeds.  That doesn't mean those opinions are less important.
 Regardless of how important or irrelevant someones opinion is, we should not discourage it, we should not say you shouldn't state your opinion here as it's irrelevent, we should not wish to control others, but instead encourage the flow of opinions from a multitude of different sources.  So express yourself!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 06:53
Well I think you got what he said wrong Hadus : no matter what he says  it wont really stop the war or change it.

Same for what I say or what you say or what unnivolved others say. 

It is up to those at war to decide to end it or not to. 

That doesn't mean nothing interesting get said or that you won't have interesting conversation.

It just mean that its not very probable anything that get said here (on this thread or the next one to be created ) will change the course of the war or will get the feuding alliances to make peace.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 04:26
Originally posted by scottfitz scottfitz wrote:

I was going to post a comment, but then I realized that I am not involved in the war in any way, so my opinion is irrelevant.


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That's like saying only people who have done drugs can have an opinion on drug laws, and only people who have served in the military can have an opinion on a war. I believe a healthy mix of invested and outside opinions is the best for resolving a difficult and complicated situation.

Not to mention I've learned a great deal about Illyriad from posting my opinion on things that I know nothing about. The replies I receive in these conversations, while not always polite, are excellent sources of insight.


Also, this war needs WAY more roleplaying.


Edited by Hadus - 13 Feb 2013 at 04:29
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