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Deranzin 
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 Posted: 11 Feb 2013 at 07:17 |
 Rill wrote:
With regard to the question of why someone might quit the game as a result of this war ...
I can only speak for myself in saying that this war has definitely been revealing with regard to the characters of some of the other folks who play this game. Since this is a game played with other people, a person might decide they do not enjoy playing with people who either perpetrate or condone such attitudes or express them in actions.
I personally prefer to focus on the many lovely people who play Illyriad rather than the few folks who are unpleasant or distasteful. Others might decide that the balance is such that they are no longer willing to do so. |
Excuse me, but in this huge map populated by thousands of players, this makes no sense.
Similar things that make no sense are : - Quitting your job because the parking guy in the lobby - 30 stories down - is a jerk and mistreats people.
- Getting a divorce because two blocks away there is a drunk who is making his wife miserable.
- Selling your car because you hate cruise ships down in the harbor
- Demolishing your house because in the woods you saw someone living in a cave.
etc etc ...
Would you take these people seriously .?. Really .?.
In such a huge map you can't say "hey I do not like a couple of people out of all those thousands, so I am outta here" and expect anyone to take that into consideration. So many people to meet, so many different alliances with many different purposes, so many things to do and enjoy and IN SAFETY, but somehow they are bothered by a war fought by others so they pack up and leave .?.
Don't they know that in any amount of people (let alone a few thousands like here) there will be an assortment of the characteristics that one sees in real life .?. Do they quit their real life and go become hermits just because some people far away do things they do not like .?. No, they do not !
But here they demand everyone to behave in a saintly manner (of their definition, of course  ) or else they'll leave !! ( maybe they'd like to venture in other communities and take a look at the veritable trollstorm and jerkmaelstorm that is raging in most of the internet and appreciate that this community here is imho among the best in such games )
If they are so unreasonable what are we supposed to do about that .?. Send players they do not like in behavioural rehab .?. Bribe those players back and promise them millions of gold or a couple of free cities .?. Should we enwall a place in the server were PvP is prohibited (the DEVs did that for the expansion, so this makes their excuses even thinner ) .?.
If the people's personalities are their problem, war or peace, those personalities will still be around, so what exactly do these people want in this case .?.
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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Points: 1853
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Posted: 11 Feb 2013 at 06:18 |
Rill wrote:
I do believe that some participants in this war are trying to have their cake and eat it too -- proclaiming that they seek positive aims when in fact their goal is to beat up on other people.
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I'm so glad you've finally come to see Consone's originally stated goals for what they really are.
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"This is a bad idea and we shouldn't do it." - endorsement by HM
"a little name-calling is a positive thing." - Rill
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Points: 2396
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Posted: 11 Feb 2013 at 03:16 |
Rill wrote:
Hadus wrote:
Rill wrote:
As for no one looking down on peaceful players, nothing is further from the truth. I have frequently been jeered, insulted and singled out simply for proposing that those who enjoy war should war and leave those who don't enjoy war out of it. And that is merely for expressing my opinion -- not for any actions I took that would limit the freedom of others to engage in the game as they see fit. |
Mm, very true. A pretty blatant error on my end. It goes both ways then: who should be expected to change: the dissenters, or the dissented?
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There are those who believe in attempting to impose their will through brute force and there are those who choose instead to employ persuasion. Others might use a mixture of these strategies. This is a sandbox. I'm not sure there is a "should" about it. What will be, will be. The only question is whether one wishes to hang around to see what it becomes. Very much up to the individual. |
Illy will always swing between periods of relative calm/peace and turmoil/war.
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903
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Posted: 11 Feb 2013 at 03:09 |
Hadus wrote:
Rill wrote:
As for no one looking down on peaceful players, nothing is further from the truth. I have frequently been jeered, insulted and singled out simply for proposing that those who enjoy war should war and leave those who don't enjoy war out of it. And that is merely for expressing my opinion -- not for any actions I took that would limit the freedom of others to engage in the game as they see fit. |
Mm, very true. A pretty blatant error on my end. It goes both ways then: who should be expected to change: the dissenters, or the dissented?
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There are those who believe in attempting to impose their will through brute force and there are those who choose instead to employ persuasion. Others might use a mixture of these strategies. This is a sandbox. I'm not sure there is a "should" about it. What will be, will be. The only question is whether one wishes to hang around to see what it becomes. Very much up to the individual.
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Hadus
Postmaster
Joined: 28 Jun 2012
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Posted: 11 Feb 2013 at 03:05 |
Rill wrote:
As for no one looking down on peaceful players, nothing is further from the truth. I have frequently been jeered, insulted and singled out simply for proposing that those who enjoy war should war and leave those who don't enjoy war out of it. And that is merely for expressing my opinion -- not for any actions I took that would limit the freedom of others to engage in the game as they see fit. |
Mm, very true. A pretty blatant error on my end. It goes both ways then: who should be expected to change: the dissenters, or the dissented?
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
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Posted: 11 Feb 2013 at 02:55 |
Hadus, I do not object to warfare per se. I do believe that some participants in this war are trying to have their cake and eat it too -- proclaiming that they seek positive aims when in fact their goal is to beat up on other people. It is the disingenuous posturing that I find most distasteful.
As for no one looking down on peaceful players, nothing is further from the truth. I have frequently been jeered, insulted and singled out simply for proposing that those who enjoy war should war and leave those who don't enjoy war out of it. And that is merely for expressing my opinion -- not for any actions I took that would limit the freedom of others to engage in the game as they see fit.
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Hadus
Postmaster
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Posted: 11 Feb 2013 at 02:39 |
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I would like to pose a question, with regards to players quitting Illyriad because of the war:
When those who enjoy peace are in power in Illyriad, they resist requests from vocal players to change their ways for the sake of retaining more war-oriented players. No one looks down on them for doing this, and many like to point out that there are alternate forms of PvP available. Why, then, are those who enjoy warfare being looked down upon for refusing to change for the sake of keeping peaceful players in the game? And why do some find it hard to see that those who desired peace above all had every opportunity to do when the war was in it's infancy?
CK, you are a good friend of mine and I would hate so see you leave Illyriad, and I hope that you and the others who have been wrapped up in this terrible conflict are able to stay and continue to enjoy the game. You have many allies who can help the damaged to rebuild and return to their former states. We still have the power, as members of the community, to shape the future values of this community. I hope you can ignore the unpleasant corners of Elgea and continue to enjoy the wonderful majority.
Edited by Hadus - 11 Feb 2013 at 02:41
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Posted: 11 Feb 2013 at 01:53 |
With regard to the question of why someone might quit the game as a result of this war ...
I can only speak for myself in saying that this war has definitely been revealing with regard to the characters of some of the other folks who play this game. Since this is a game played with other people, a person might decide they do not enjoy playing with people who either perpetrate or condone such attitudes or express them in actions.
I personally prefer to focus on the many lovely people who play Illyriad rather than the few folks who are unpleasant or distasteful. Others might decide that the balance is such that they are no longer willing to do so.
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Points: 2396
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Posted: 10 Feb 2013 at 23:38 |
Grego wrote:
Oh please, can't we at least have a short break from this subject?I think everything is already said, numerous times, from all sides. Let's wait and see what happen next before next round of forum debates.
btw, war is not won by anyone yet
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Attaboy! 
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Grego
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Location: Klek
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Posted: 10 Feb 2013 at 23:24 |
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Oh please, can't we at least have a short break from this subject?I think everything is already said, numerous times, from all sides. Let's wait and see what happen next before next round of forum debates.
btw, war is not won by anyone yet
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