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tansiraine 
Wordsmith
Joined: 14 Oct 2012
Location: pensacola FL
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Points: 172
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 Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 02:22 |
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hmmm well that was some light reading for the night... anyways all it is doing is rehashing the same thing over and over again with the same certain people.
Honestly how the war started does not matter any more it is started.
What should matter is how it will end.
Now if people want to hold on the the old thoughts, beliefs and attitudes the war will continue.
Insulting each other get you no where neither does complaining. Every leader knows what the terms are to end the war.
Personally I think they should look at this way Is the pride of the leaders worth the people that are in their alliance continuing to get hurt. They are a leader do what is best for all the members and if that means you have to surrender so be it.
Also i wanted to address something that was said earlier For those that are not aware I know in H? we are not attacking just anyone that is red. H? has shown mercy to those that have asked for it.
I am really tired of the few loud mouths around that slander H? but we are the first ones called in when there is a issue.
I am H? I get messages weekly sometimes Daily with newbies that need help that are being attacked but players that are 25k ad above pop. yes GC helps.. but even when i started a year and a half ago I was told H? does not tolerate new players being bullied. I am active in GC maybe that is why I am contacted. but I am really getting annoyed at the people that want to bad mouth H? but i do not see them stepping up and helping the new players in need.
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Grego
Postmaster
Joined: 09 May 2010
Location: Klek
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Points: 729
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 01:56 |
 The_Dude wrote:
Grego wrote:
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What is real difference between Coalition and Consone?
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Consone purported to be a Mutual Defense Organization. Consone alliances blindly supported each other without looking into the causes of disputes. The result was bullying.
The Coalition was formed as a working group of alliances to address the bullying of Consone. I have no idea to what extent or in what form the Coalition will continue following the war. I have noticed already evolution (new bonds) in diplomacy among elements of the Coalition.
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So for you breaking sieges of allied cities is just cause for starting
large scale war and sieging even more accounts which never
participated in any hostility? Let me remind you what was our
bullying: one player sent army to allied mine two squares from allied
city, and announced it five days before arrival. Occupant broke
agreement and didn't withdraw on time. Apart that mine square there was no hostility from our side against anyone, military or diplo. How can anyone see that as bullying? Your accusations are bizarre, and you repeat them over and over and over again....and again and you didn't answer my question
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Points: 2396
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 01:41 |
Rill wrote:
Deranzin wrote:
... taking a roleplaying antique
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Now that's not a nice way to talk about TD at all!
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Now that is just funny!  Huzzah, Rill!
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 01:20 |
Deranzin wrote:
... taking a roleplaying antique
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Now that's not a nice way to talk about TD at all!
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Points: 2396
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 00:55 |
Grego wrote:
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What is real difference between Coalition and Consone?
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Consone purported to be a Mutual Defense Organization. Consone alliances blindly supported each other without looking into the causes of disputes. The result was bullying.
The Coalition was formed as a working group of alliances to address the bullying of Consone. I have no idea to what extent or in what form the Coalition will continue following the war. I have noticed already evolution (new bonds) in diplomacy among elements of the Coalition.
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Grego
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Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 00:40 |
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"Deranzin"
Sorry, I am no soldier, and as usual I got lost reading your post somewhere between those bolded words. Could you please simplify your observations for me, so I can understand it too. What is real difference between Coalition and Consone?
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Points: 2396
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Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 23:50 |
Deranzin wrote:
Grego wrote:
"Deranzin....."
So what is the difference between Consone and Coalition in that matter? Maybe H is percieved as God by some of your minions but I doubt that Bonaparte or Belargyle for instance would see themselves as mere troopers in your platoon.
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First of all, quit it with the "god" nonsense ... taking a roleplaying antique and beating like a dead horse around the forums is really bad taste/manners. |
But I like being seen as a god. 
Deranzin wrote:
****Pretty basic/obvious stuff for any organisation of people comprized by more than 3 people and I am still amazed how Consone considers itself as an actual confederation without even the most basic forms of communication and common ground between its leaders. ****
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Well, Consone has a HUGE organizational advantage over Coalition - I hear they have a Consone Chat Channel. 
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
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Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 23:45 |
BLASPHEMY! One god...come on! There's like three or four, not to mention all the demons and devils that thirst for worshipers. Being an alien from hell, I know of what I speak.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Deranzin
Postmaster
Joined: 10 Oct 2011
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Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 23:41 |
Grego wrote:
"Deranzin....."
So what is the difference between Consone and Coalition in that matter? Maybe H is percieved as God by some of your minions but I doubt that Bonaparte or Belargyle for instance would see themselves as mere troopers in your platoon.
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First of all, quit it with the "god" nonsense ... taking a roleplaying antique and beating like a dead horse around the forums is really bad taste/manners.
Second problem is that I never stated that the Coalition is being led by rank and this is your supposition. As far as I am concerned the Coalition is a leadership based on knowledge.
And last but not the least, even with your unfounded supposition, why did you place prominent players like these in the lowest rank .?. I find it mindly amusing that you think that such splitting tactics work or that you seem to think that they cannot read the aforementioned post on their own and place themselves in their correct position in the Coalition hierachy and thus take offence at my simple analogies (which as I said are known solutions from ancient times) .?.
But even if I naively take your question at face value and we SUPPOSE that there are ranks, it is OBVIOUS that if someone would be in the trooper category that is players my size and with my "powers" within his alliance's hierarchy (just a mere "full member"), while people like Bonaparte and Belargyle that you mentioned would obviously have many many stars on their rank and of course the relative powers along with their status. Again all these only with the supposition that those ranks exist in the manner you supposed. Proof that rigid ranks do not exist is my ability to write all those things without any worries of any limitations imposed by my low position in the hierarchy ... and if you find that proposition a bit weird try overriding hierarchy in the army by stating your opinion, in a real rank based leadership, and tell me how that worked out for you !
Also, according to the previous posts, the striking difference between the Coalition and Consone is that with the Coalition you know whom to speak with and who is responsible for what branch and there is (judging from the posts in these forums) a concensus on the basic matters (you know, like goals/objectives) that any confed should agree upon and so they do not contradict each other with each post. Pretty basic/obvious stuff for any organisation of people comprized by more than 3 people and I am still amazed how Consone considers itself as an actual confederation without even the most basic forms of communication and common ground between its leaders.
scaramouche wrote:
Oh well..then I guess there's no more talking with you about it then ..is there. |
 And then you people wonder why noone takes your cries for "peace" seriously ... you ask a question, you get your answer and just because you do not like the said answer your next argument is "now I am not talking to you". No arguments, no reasonable counterposition, nothing ... Quite mature behaviour eh .?. 
If you think that my advice is unsound or that I am wrong, hey, good for me ... but for the sake of argueing, do try to at least defend your position/idea/opinion with something better than a childish "niah niah niah I am not listening to youuuuuuu" 
Edited by Deranzin - 13 Feb 2013 at 23:43
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The_Dude
Postmaster General
Joined: 06 Apr 2010
Location: Texas
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Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 22:59 |
belargyle wrote:
Grego wrote:
"Deranzin....."
So what is the difference between Consone and Coalition in that matter? Maybe H is percieved as God by some of your minions but I doubt that Bonaparte or Belargyle for instance would see themselves as mere troopers in your platoon.
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Agreed.. and for the record.. no one perceives H as 'gods', though it was typed in the this forum for the apparent purpose to rile people up over it.. and it apparently worked, and I understand why.
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I am the one, true Illy-God!  There is no Illy-God before The_Dude.
Edited by The_Dude - 13 Feb 2013 at 23:00
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