The Spin

war over there and here.. good to hear that you guys are having fun. keep it up! :D

/me sits and watch the show...

Deranzin wrote: Oh, another "client" with the population loss ... so, Elmindra, now you are telling us the population counts are a good way to count someone's battle capabilities .?. One must wonder why you people argued so much against that standard in the case of NC being stacked upon by a much larger conglomeration of opponents in population. Double standards are always amusing, but do try to keep a relative time distance before applying them in similar situations because the whole matter becomes ludicrous.

Deranzin, I am not sure how versed you are in siege mechanics, population or exodus. I will attempt to shed some light for you.

Population is based off of building levels. As buildings increase in level so does the population.

Sieges work by deleveling the buildings within a town. The population needs to be lowered in order for captures or razes to occur.

The strength of the siege itself is not related to the population, but rather by the number of troops that are supporting it. To break a siege requires military units to attack it, this requires troops and not population.

With exodus the highest building level will be 12 upon completion of exodus. (with the exception of walls) If the town had several buildings over level 12 this will result in a decrease in population.

So when towns are sieged they result in a population loss. When towns exodus to avoid incoming sieges this also results in a loss of population.

One of the greatest military players in the game is He-man. His current population is around 149k and he is #1 in defense by over 1 million points. He might be willing to assist you with some good pointers through IGM.

I hope this is helpful for you.

3lok wrote: Wow... its been a long read going through all the different posts about this war... I seldom post on the forums here but seeing the ongoing war of words and the childish way it is going on... I suggest an easy way to track the count of razed cities. I understand that it is not possible for both the sides to believe the numbers given by the other, so why not validate each other's claims! Why keep passing the buck the devs when it can be easily done by us! Below is a spreadsheet that anyone can edit and modify. Just enter the details directly there and the other side can verify/validate/comment on.  http://goo.gl/EXPnZz These details can easily be checked on using illytools!  For the towns exodused, there is a separate sheet too! Hope this helps! Regards, gtkol3

i just wanna point out to all those concerned that i caught your movie references. and it was actually the bright point in reading through all of this.  especially the one from troy, cause that's a pretty good movie.   but i prefer  " You won't have eyes tonight; you won't have ears or a tongue. You will wander the underworld blind, deaf, and dumb, and all the dead will know: This is Hector. The fool who thought he killed Achilles"

Elmindra wrote: Deranzin, did I even once say that population counts as a gauge of battle strength?  You quoted me but forgot to read, but I will say it again.  Quite a bit of population loss on a lot of towns which may or may not be exodus.  That is a pretty simple sentence, but I will elaborate.  When I see a person with 10 towns and 7 are legendary and 3 are at exodus population levels then I would assume it's a possible exodus, which may or may not be a direct result of the war.  Pretty sure that is simple, but I am more than happy to repeat myself.

Oh, I did read ... if you mention it as a fact and you do not believe that it has any meaning, as you seem to do in your elaboration, then you are just tossing meaningless (even for you) numbers around, just to create an impression. "That is a pretty simple sentence" too

Also saying that "I would assume it's a possible exodus, which may or may not be a direct result of the war" is indeed nice of you, but look what The_Duke said  a couple of posts ago :

The Duke wrote: Too many assumptions in one post , you know that old saying right.

I do not know what "old saying" he is referring at, btw, but I am just quoting it because you people should eventually decide on ONE STANDARD and apply to ALL CASES, else we are going to end up with monster threads like in the Consone War, just in trying to understand what your position on a matter is.

So, if The_Duke thinks that he can evade and do away with a post that contained only one fact (and one very logical assumption directly derived by it) by saying that thing, I can only guess how credible he would think your post with three assumptions in a row which you yourself admit that you cannot validate.

Consistency people ... consistency !