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twilights
Postmaster
Joined: 21 May 2012
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Points: 915
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Posted: 08 Jul 2012 at 10:49 |
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maybe if u get caught u get banned from the game............too late they got reformed and now they will never do again.....should just be able to thieve from urself
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Rorgash
Postmaster
Joined: 23 Aug 2011
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Points: 894
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Posted: 08 Jul 2012 at 09:19 |
you dont know what justice means then, the very word of it. justice does not = right
lets to a nice litle mind blast, if a person brutally murders someone, that person should go to jail right? well that person has a weapon and if you dont plan on using some kind of force im pretty sure they wont just follow you, and so without force justice will never be carried out.
also something that no one was told but that person killed that person because she/he was beating and abusing and nearly killing Him/her. Soo even if you use force and destroy this persons life was YOUR justice Right?
Rules and Laws arent always right... and if you are so naive to spout words about Law and justice needing be served, I will make a law for you, you are not allowed population size over 500 pop.
Anyone can make rules and laws, only the mighty ones can enforce them to give them meaning beyond the words.
New law, anyone that posts after this will get attacked by the person who posted naive sh*t about weaklings being able to rule the strong.
Edit, i think i just forgot, to to make it simple, JUSTICE is getting back at someone for having done something. its not the RIGHT things, its not the WRONG thing, if someone punches me I can BY MY RIGHT punch them back, thats justice. paying someone back for something, either by money if you are the one in debt or in some other way.
Edited by Rorgash - 08 Jul 2012 at 09:31
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Quackers
Forum Warrior
Joined: 19 Nov 2011
Location: Jeff City
Status: Offline
Points: 435
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Posted: 08 Jul 2012 at 07:16 |
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From a new player stand point; declining a alliance invite and then receiving 10 diplo attacks all around the same time is kind of scary. Your not able to tell if the alliance did it or if it was just someone else. To top it off your not able to be reinforced because your not in an alliance.
Best thing to do is just write the alliance name down and hope for proof later. If a guild did this and was caught I would see diplo attacks of the same nature as compensation. Though I would send well over 10x the amount they have sent. Unless the alliance was very rude then of course I'll siege one of their cities down some pop (not raze or capture).
That is if the alliance did get caught and was actually the alliance that sent the diplos in the first place. If your diplos attacked a newb city in the past 10 hours then you know who I am talking to.
And yes if there is proof by system message then something will be done and the people responsible will not enjoy the outcome.
Edited by Quackers - 08 Jul 2012 at 07:19
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Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so you will not be dependent on anybody.
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 6903
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Posted: 08 Jul 2012 at 06:45 |
Edited by Rill - 09 Jul 2012 at 22:14
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Beecks
Wordsmith
Joined: 03 Apr 2012
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 194
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Posted: 08 Jul 2012 at 06:15 |
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If you read Hadus' post he was actually making a point that you've made in the past: that there's a moral equivalency between those who seek out PvP because they enjoy it and those who use protecting smaller players as a casus belli. It's an interesting point to make that I think is lost when you take one line of his argument out of context.
OT: The proper response undoubtably depends on the context of the attack and from whence it came. Llyorn made an excellent point when he said that a small theft from a new player doesn't deserve the grandiose show of force that an attack from an established player might warrant. But as there are no 'police' in game (despite what some people might claim), in the end each player's response is limited to what they can achieve in practice.
Edited by Beecks - 08 Jul 2012 at 06:17
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 380
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Posted: 08 Jul 2012 at 05:41 |
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I explained my comments in a forum pm to hadus already as my comments were directed towards his statements.
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Llyorn Of Jaensch
Postmaster
Joined: 31 Mar 2010
Location: Sydney
Status: Offline
Points: 924
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Posted: 08 Jul 2012 at 05:34 |
Hadus wrote:
Subatoi wrote:
Hadus wrote:
Personally I think the important thing with all hostile actions AND their rebuttals is purpose. At one extreme, we have the PvP-hungry whiners who desire open PvP along the lines of Log In>click World Map> think "Hm, what random player below my population shall I attack for fun today?" At the other we have "White Knights" in Illy who jump into incidents that they have no business in and even less to gain from as the initial offender had in attacking. On both sides of these conflicts, we have players engaging in military and diplomatic actions that
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mmmm ahh.. i shall restrain myself this time from putting most of my thoughts on what you said out there.... but you are a fool who knows not what you talk about.
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Which I why I post here, so that in my errors I shall be corrected, learn, and grow wiser. Please, share your thoughts, after I redirect you to the last lines of my post which state that I know the majority of Illy players do not fit this bill. |
Hadus. You are the bigger man. Your response won the day for me and in the eyes of many. Subtoi: A fool? Because one does not agree with you? It must be nice to know everything. The point being it is fine to disagree, it is low to disagree then deride as a result.
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"ouch...best of luck." HonoredMule
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Hadus
Postmaster
Joined: 28 Jun 2012
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Points: 545
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Posted: 08 Jul 2012 at 05:15 |
Subatoi wrote:
Hadus wrote:
Personally I think the important thing with all hostile actions AND their rebuttals is purpose. At one extreme, we have the PvP-hungry whiners who desire open PvP along the lines of Log In>click World Map> think "Hm, what random player below my population shall I attack for fun today?" At the other we have "White Knights" in Illy who jump into incidents that they have no business in and even less to gain from as the initial offender had in attacking. On both sides of these conflicts, we have players engaging in military and diplomatic actions that
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mmmm ahh.. i shall restrain myself this time from putting most of my thoughts on what you said out there.... but you are a fool who knows not what you talk about.
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Which I why I post here, so that in my errors I shall be corrected, learn, and grow wiser. Please, share your thoughts, after I redirect you to the last lines of my post which state that I know the majority of Illy players do not fit this bill.
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 380
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Posted: 08 Jul 2012 at 05:15 |
Oh i can't stay away, before I go to sleep i must put this out there.
PvP is a noble sport, more organizing war games then mindless slaughtering. please research before you insult PvP'ers.
Think about it, war games are more fun and involve the same amount of PvP as do wars, but wars tend to do a little more damage. wargames +1
more on this tomorrow, tired.
Edited by Subatoi - 08 Jul 2012 at 05:19
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
Status: Offline
Points: 380
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Posted: 08 Jul 2012 at 05:09 |
Hadus wrote:
Personally I think the important thing with all hostile actions AND their rebuttals is purpose. At one extreme, we have the PvP-hungry whiners who desire open PvP along the lines of Log In>click World Map> think "Hm, what random player below my population shall I attack for fun today?" At the other we have "White Knights" in Illy who jump into incidents that they have no business in and even less to gain from as the initial offender had in attacking. On both sides of these conflicts, we have players engaging in military and diplomatic actions that
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mmmm ahh.. i shall restrain myself this time from putting most of my thoughts on what you said out there.... but you are a fool who knows not what you talk about.
Edited by Subatoi - 08 Jul 2012 at 05:11
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