the nature of the crows

Mr Damage wrote:   Have all parties involved publicly acknowledged their participation or is their still a secret society out there much like the Soup/Coal war? My reason for asking is some noted curious attack/defence stats recently in herald and perhaps some strategic alliance membership changes. In light of this, perhaps the odds are a little more clouded than we may perceive KP.

Well, if you believe Hath then there is a long list of large alliances just champing at the bit to get into a major server-wide war including your alliance  :)

FYI - 5:1 is now an underestimate...

KillerPoodle wrote: Darkwords wrote: however I would say that overall it is clear that this was nothing but a poor attempt with no background as there has been nothing presented here to back up that argument, or counter the claim published here that the Crow family is overall a peaceful block within Illyria. You mean aside from the fact that a certain crow wing is currently pursuing an unjustified personal vendetta at 5:1 odds in their favour, trying their hardest to escalate it and until recently was expecting a bunch of other crow wings to back them up?

actually the crowfed might be a threat to active game playing and definitely limits individual play style, it represents the reason why many players want a limit of the number of nap and confeds allowed in the game...but as it is, i am now a secret crow...good luck seeing any changes to limit the numbers of crowfed members! accept it as part of our game!

I think it is common sense that someone with wrong perceptions and assumptions (in this case assming the crows are a thread, wait, threat^^) arrives at wrong conclusions (in this case giving in where you are right). 

Darkwords wrote: I think the point to the original post made here; is not that we do not stand united, more that the Crows operate in a manner through which we are united when there is just cause. In my opinion this pattern has helped Crows grow to a strong size, whilst preventing our confederation from harboring and defending bully-gamers.  This stands in stark contrast to other power blocks within Illy, as they generally attract and recruit members who merely wish to take advantage of an alliances / confederations size, strength and aggression; therefore allowing them to take advantage of other, unaligned players. This thread was started because a certain faction within Illy was trying to paint a picture through GC propaganda that the Crows were a threat to smaller players or alliances, however I would say that overall it is clear that this was nothing but a poor attempt with no background as there has been nothing presented here to back up that argument, or counter the claim published here that the Crow family is overall a peaceful block within Illyria. However, with this in mind people should take care in regards to our confederation, as has been made clear; we do have a policy to stand united when faced with aggression or threats. Disclaimer: this is merely from personal opinion I am not even a mouthpiece for vCrow and as has been clarified there is no central spokesperson for our entire federation.

The only propaganda here is your blatant attempt to spin a perfectly logical argument into some sort of justification for hostilities. I very clearly laid out my point in GC. Namely that I was concerned about more and more and more wings being added as it could have a stifling effect upon Illy. Small players and alliances don't necessarily know that the Crows don't attack and understandably have the impression that they need to give in in any sort disagreement with any Crowalition member. Larger alliances and players, myself included, know that the Crows never attack others (unless that is perhaps changing now if one were to believe recent rumours) and have nothing to fear. Quite the opposite. As I mentioned SEVERAL times in GC, I count many Crowalition members as close friends. So please leave the coolaid at home and don't try to drag this honorable Crow institution into what would become, in your case, your fourth lesson in how to lose a war.