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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2011 at 18:18
lol
in peaceful times i am the first one to scream for H? conspiracy.
yet the one thing is, H? methods are the result of Judes attitude.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 17:48
Originally posted by Kilotov of DokGthung Kilotov of DokGthung wrote:

Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

This is a free land we live in. If someone wants to mark territory as "theirs" they are welcome to do that using sovereignty. 1

If they do not claim sovereignty over the land, it is open for settlement, or for someone else to claim sovereignty over it. This is not merely guidelines, it is the war the world works. 

Being a free land, Lords and alliances are welcome to engage in war to remove cities that they do not like, for one reason or another. However, this is a form of tyranny, and there could be consequences for such tyranny. 2

If H? wishes to remove towns that they previously had no claim over, they are setting themselves up to be tyrants. If they truly want to "reserve" land, it should be done officially with sovereignty. Any turf war dispute not involving canceling sovereignty on a square becomes bullying. Except in the case of smaller towns who have not the resources nor the research to claim sovereignty on so many squares. 3

StJude seems to have a righteous cause, and I would not be surprised if many like minded righteous and justice seeking Lords come to his aid. 

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not only that sir.
there is no sov border, yet i dare you settle in the heart of foreign land whit but enemy towns around you.
there are areas claimed by some alliances.
 this land is not a free one.
you better watch out for the local  feudal lords that own the region you are in before starting "sov tag" the neighbourhood..
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of course some are tyrants. .. hahaha.. really... some of the noblesse have nasty habits of torturing, besieging and so on. you can't boost rights and such about their lands.
the one that holds the land is the one that crushes all opposition. again. the land is not for free.
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that island is owned by H?.
Dont like it? who cares? make them surrender it , and THEN you can call it your turf.
Sov is just a fancy way to say "hey, look, i spend tons of cash to highlight this land as mine" which is useless. you keep pointing out that sov is = possession. false.  more than sov a land, you need to be able to back your claims up.
That or whit huge alliance, or whit superior fire-power.

and lastly..

StJude is death seeker, and leaks respect , cant distinguish rank carefully and has somewhat inflated ego.
He masks himself as the "champion of people" which is rubbish, since lowly peasants have just the right their lord gives them. 
his good cause would be... what exactly? be a pain in H? sophisticated butt? or maybe just wreak havoc? so long so far, resistance is futile.



You are very wise Kilotov. I agree that the larger army has more power. BUT, that larger army must be careful not to upset the hundreds of smaller armies, else they might combine forces to overthrow the tyrant. 





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 02:34
Originally posted by geofrey geofrey wrote:

  BUT, that larger army must be careful not to upset the hundreds of smaller armies, else they might combine forces to overthrow the tyrant. 

I genuinely wish it were that easy. We can all probably think of examples from history--or, maybe stories we were told about history--where many small groups joined together to form a single force that beat a much larger attacker. Unfortunately, online games such as Illy don't work that way. Forty armies of 500 troops each from small players may total 20,000 troops, but they'll always be individual armies of 500. You can't join them together under a single command structure to coordinate an attack. Using them to attack an army of 20,000 is the equivalent of hurling a handful of pebbles at a house. You might chip a little plaster and crack a window or two, but in the end you'll just irritate the crap out of the owner. On defense, using the 40 armies to defend one town leaves 39 towns completely vulnerable. When push comes to shove, the underdog has a seriously tough row to hoe in this game. Not too different from RL, I guess. Make your choices, take your chances.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 04:30
Originally posted by StJude StJude wrote:


This is one of the daftest arguments I continue to hear. Abandoning my account due to bullies would actually be me not lying in the bed I made or not reaping what I have sown.


Reaping what is sown means accepting the consequences of your actions. It does not mean invoking heroic martyrdom and then whinging when said consequences come a calling.

Originally posted by StJude StJude wrote:

I am still at 2k pop, despite being attacked by 8 different alliances with at least 4 of those being page 1 alliances in size. (RES, Chimps, H?, mCrows)


Simple Judy. Then dont declare war on them.

Honestly mate you made much more sense when claiming 'asshattery' as your 'logic' than playing the ethical card.


Edited by Llyorn Of Jaensch - 03 Nov 2011 at 04:37
"ouch...best of luck."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 14:45
Originally posted by Qaal Qaal wrote:

I genuinely wish it were that easy. We can all probably think of examples from history--or, maybe stories we were told about history--where many small groups joined together to form a single force that beat a much larger attacker. Unfortunately, online games such as Illy don't work that way. Forty armies of 500 troops each from small players may total 20,000 troops, but they'll always be individual armies of 500. You can't join them together under a single command structure to coordinate an attack. Using them to attack an army of 20,000 is the equivalent of hurling a handful of pebbles at a house. You might chip a little plaster and crack a window or two, but in the end you'll just irritate the crap out of the owner. On defense, using the 40 armies to defend one town leaves 39 towns completely vulnerable. When push comes to shove, the underdog has a seriously tough row to hoe in this game. Not too different from RL, I guess. Make your choices, take your chances.

A tactic that worked well against the so-called "Champs" (Champs of what? Not sure what they really accomplished as it was Crows who defeated Dark Blight and not Amroth or his cronies, even though he likes claiming it was him) was to send attacks at the siege camps themselves instead of reinforcing the town. You will be surprised at the losses these encamped armies will take when you throw the pebbles.

We held Champs off for many weeks, much to their chagrin :)

Having unsiegable cities is also another boon!

Oh, thanks for the res shipments folks! Keep 'em coming please!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Nov 2011 at 20:59
Originally posted by StJude StJude wrote:

 
A tactic that worked well against the so-called "Champs" (Champs of what? Not sure what they really accomplished as it was Crows who defeated Dark Blight and not Amroth or his cronies, even though he likes claiming it was him) was to send attacks at the siege camps themselves instead of reinforcing the town. You will be surprised at the losses these encamped armies will take when you throw the pebbles.

Thanks for the insight--much appreciated. I hope there's room for the underdog to thrive. Game's more interesting if someone can upset the apple cart every now and again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2011 at 13:42
I have a problem with Zork . I have a  rather hefty grudge against Zork for attacking my alliance, stealing the guild leader town and generally encroaching on the island ( we did claim it early, and we are positionned on it) I also dislike his ability to harass our smaller player without being removable. Thus to protect our newbies, and to incite him to leave the island I will be raiding , blighting, etc until he leaves our space.    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2011 at 15:18
Originally posted by mysteriousbluepuppet mysteriousbluepuppet wrote:

I have a problem with Zork . I have a  rather hefty grudge against Zork for attacking my alliance, stealing the guild leader town and generally encroaching on the island ( we did claim it early, and we are positionned on it) I also dislike his ability to harass our smaller player without being removable. Thus to protect our newbies, and to incite him to leave the island I will be raiding , blighting, etc until he leaves our space.    

good thing to know. would you like it to take a town of zork?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 06:05
A special thanks to all those who have been sending resources over the last few weeks! It is massively appreciated and you know who you are.

We are well over a month since the first siege attacks sent by H? and my capital still stands on that island. (the thread is 3-4 days less than a month, but attacks were sent before that)

Keep 'em coming lads!!! Now is not the time to stop. This is your chance to thumb your noses at those who would bully, coerce and flaunt their power ingame. Please keep sending your shipments and together we can frustrate these tyrants!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Nov 2011 at 06:30
already I see 4 inbounds!!! Thanks again lads and lasses!!!
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