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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 18:40 |
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Right, because "lame" is not a put-down. It's an expression of admiration.
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
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Points: 1857
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Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 14:08 |
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When did I put anyone down? Have you read the post that resulted in the reply in question? The only thing that could have possibly been seen as an issue, I apologized for and that, in my opinion was a stretch on my opposition's part. If you HAVE read the post and the posts thereafter, you have seen the clear opposition to alternate views, regardless of the protestations to the contrary.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Vanerin
Forum Warrior
Joined: 05 Oct 2011
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Points: 418
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Posted: 16 Apr 2012 at 16:02 |
abstractdream wrote:
I understand that if I am to be where I am most comfortable I am to be ostracized by the rest of the community, no matter how much effort I put into walking on eggshells. |
I don't think anyone has oppositions to you being comfortable*. But I do think that some people are less than happy when it feels you are putting their way of living down. I recognize that some people don't like snuggles. That is totally fine. If I know you don't like snuggles, I won't snuggle you. I think most people feel that way.
If you want to live by a code of self sufficiency, higher ground, and/or whatever, that is great! But please don't put down others for living how they want to.
I am sorry that your recruitment thread got a bit sidetracked.
*I guess I should probably put a qualifier in here. I think this only applies if your "comfortable" doesn't involve hurting others. If you are most comfortable being a murder or thief, I think people would have a problem with that.
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Prometheuz
Forum Warrior
Joined: 23 Nov 2011
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Points: 230
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Posted: 16 Apr 2012 at 12:18 |
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By and large I agree with the distinctions that abstract dream has made in his post ^^ Like it or not you have to respect what they have done so far!
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
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Points: 1857
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Posted: 16 Apr 2012 at 05:10 |
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Thanks for the civil reply, Bartozzi. I may do that sometime, but my intention was not to debate, it was to give some insight to who may be a better fit in TLR.
I did find out that some folks are not interested in debate, regardless of how they present themselves to the community. I suppose I can take that as a lesson learned.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Bartozzi
Greenhorn
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
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Points: 96
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Posted: 16 Apr 2012 at 01:13 |
IMO, the word "hug" or "snuggle" is mostly used as a representation of the handshake or hug most people do when greeting friends in RL. So I see no harm in it in a group of friendly people online. I am aware a lot of people don't like it, and I personally do my best to give them the "space" they desire. From recent conversations on GC, it's obvious to me the community has the capacity for all sorts of tones, themes, topics, etc.; and again, the hugs & snuggles are more like handshakes. Sure, it devolves into complete and utter silliness sometimes. So what? I thought we were lightening up a bit?
As for your list of rules, I'll let them stand for themselves, understanding the point you're getting after. I think we've probably muddied up your recruitment thread a bit too much, and I apologize for any part I had in it. If you'd like to debate the perceived "difference" in another thread, I'm sure there are plenty of players who might like to put in their two cents. Or maybe no one cares 
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abstractdream
Postmaster General
Joined: 02 Oct 2011
Location: Oarnamly
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Points: 1857
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Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 20:51 |
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Please take the arguments apart and use whatever instrument you like. An actual debate as opposed to the usual barbs, jabs and ad hominem attacks would be welcome.
I posted a description of the player I think TLR is a good fit for. I defined a difference observed in the GC community. The tone of the replies look to me to be overly defensive. Perhaps the words written were far too open to interpretation, that is my fault but there seems to be a distinct "gotcha" thing going on here. I admit the word "hug" has a meaning in Illyriad that it does not anywhere else. I acknowledged that and I appologized for my missing the boat. I was directing my post to, among others the players who find themselves disliking the GC activity due to the snuggling.
It is not a surprise to anyone that we exist but I know now that I am on the wrong side. I understand that if I am to be where I am most comfortable I am to be ostracized by the rest of the community, no matter how much effort I put into walking on eggshells. I was under the impression that there were actual intellects roaming around the halls of the forum but I now see that they are robots too. Lessons learned: I cannot have friendly, sometimes heated debates with fellow Illyrians and I cannot expect those Illyrians to treat me with respect once they realize I will not be swayed. I cannot point out potential issues I see without having these same Illyrians assume the worst.
Rules for players: 1. Like it when you are hugged and hug them back. 2. Have a lot of patience for those who are clearly less than yourself... 3. ...until they say something you can interpret to be a direct attack on you personally. 4. Suggest that armies are for grown-ups, but don't say grown-ups. 5. Illiriad is a social network and wargaming will not be tolerated by the pacifists.
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Bartozzi
Greenhorn
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
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Points: 96
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Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 20:46 |
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Right on, I respect that. I'm not sure what a Crazy sniggle is, either, but neither am I sure what a Great Prophet is. And for the record, I thought your song parody was pretty well done :) I was just commenting on the use of the word snugglers in it. I wish you all the best, in all fairness (such as can be found in the world..), and let us all enjoy the game!
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Subatoi
Forum Warrior
Joined: 01 Mar 2012
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Points: 380
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Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 20:30 |
Well I won't speak for bonfyr, that's his fight and he can handle it on his own. However, when did we start getting on the assumption that TLR dislikes Hugcr? Two of my former members reside there and although I'm not quite sure what a small sniggle is, since they are still there I trust they are happy.
That song, I'm assuming you are referencing the song was spoofing everything. If you can't have a giggle then I pity you.
My members and I answer new player questions when we see them and if we know the answers to the question, just because we don't ship out resources to every player that begs for them does not make us bad players, nor alliance leaders.
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Bartozzi
Greenhorn
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
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Points: 96
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Posted: 15 Apr 2012 at 19:05 |
Kumomoto wrote:
abstractdream wrote:
I was actually trying to call out everyone who snuggles, huggles, sniggles and whatever other dripping form of greeting there is. I'm just not a snugly chat fan but I do not have a problem with all of the lame touchy feely crap that usually goes on in the snugly crowd. |
But this is quite brilliant! LMAO!
| I agree. Are you such a good propagandist, Bonfyr, that you believe your own twisting of logic? Like a lot of elements of this thread, I could take apart the web of your arguments with a feather duster, and still I don't think it would do any good. However, to my knowledge, HugCr has done nothing towards TLR besides embody the trait of "giving a warm welcome to newbs", so EF claiming that the Snugglers (or is he talking more generally about "GP's", a nice 'them vs. us' term) are or have been "lining up" during this embogglement is patently inaccurate. I understand you guys don't like the practice of warmly greeting new players and giving them gifts (of both res and answers) to help their first day or two go a little smoother; I, for one, knew, Illy was a different kind of game the minute I joined and was welcomed into the community, and was then able to explore the game at my own pace, with a wonderful wealth of knowledge at my fingertips in GC. As for your hugophobia, I think they have a cream for that ;) Edit: change formatting a bit; using iPad is a little clumsy at times
Edited by Bartozzi - 15 Apr 2012 at 19:06
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