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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 21:02
I send 40000, but only of one resource.  To each their own, I guess.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 19:30
1500 is way too much Garthen.  I understand Ryelle only sends 750.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 10:05
Originally posted by Myrin Myrin wrote:

Rill, your statement that you disagree with their philosophy proves that there are two different ways of looking at it. They mentioned no other alliance and didn't say that those who thought differently were wrong. You came into their recruitment post and turned it into something controversial. Personally, I think your post on page one should be removed.

You're of course entitled to your opinion. A little context and a different perspective:
The recruitment thread was started Jan 19th. The secondary post, that Rill responded too, was posted Apr 15th, nearly 3 months later. To imply that Rill tried to hijack the recruitment thread ignores the sequence of events, IMO.
Additionally, if you had been lurking around Global Chat at that time, you'd know that there was a considerable amount of criticism directed at certain players for the practice of welcome vans. I myself was accused of using it as a recruitment ploy. As I told Eternal Fire at the time, I send plenty of vans to players for whom I think my alliance is probably a bad fit. And tbh, I'm not generally an aggressive recruiter; no one in my alliance is.

Primarily, though, here's the rub: according to the Apr 15th post, there are two basic attitudes; 1) welcome players warmly with hugs and gifts, 2) Encourage players to be self-sufficient. The two are not mutually exclusive!!!I believe Rill is justified in objecting to the idea that (for example) when I send 1500 of the 4 basic res to a new player, verbally welcome them to the game, and answer any questions they might have, that means I'm making a player who will be dependent. It's hogwash.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 01:24
Originally posted by Myrin Myrin wrote:

I found this thread a little late, however, I think Rill's post on page one was way out of line. I didn't see anything said that they were condemning how other people play the game. The members of TLR merely stated how they work in their alliance. I find your statement to be confrontational and inappropriate particularly since this was a place for them to recruit like minded players. 

Rill, your statement that you disagree with their philosophy proves that there are two different ways of looking at it. They mentioned no other alliance and didn't say that those who thought differently were wrong. You came into their recruitment post and turned it into something controversial. Personally, I think your post on page one should be removed.

I disagree.  However, I see little point in re-hashing all the arguments.  So I will not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2012 at 00:38
I found this thread a little late, however, I think Rill's post on page one was way out of line. I didn't see anything said that they were condemning how other people play the game. The members of TLR merely stated how they work in their alliance. I find your statement to be confrontational and inappropriate particularly since this was a place for them to recruit like minded players. 

Rill, your statement that you disagree with their philosophy proves that there are two different ways of looking at it. They mentioned no other alliance and didn't say that those who thought differently were wrong. You came into their recruitment post and turned it into something controversial. Personally, I think your post on page one should be removed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 03:57
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I guess I wonder why you feel the need to "call out" people for snuggling.
 It was meant as a jab at the snugglers in general, not any specific alliance or you in particular. I assumed it was an innocuous term. I am not under that assumption any longer. 
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 Maybe you don't like it; OK, people won't snuggle you.  But it seems you are offended by seeing other people greet people in a friendly manner.
 Nope, not offended. 
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 Trying to dictate how other people greet each other, as long as it conforms to the code of conduct, seems to be taking an extreme position
 I've never told anyone to stop. Any time someone attempts a hug on me, I duck and run. That's the limit of my comments on it in GC.
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 -- and then you claim that others oppress you and don't let you express opposition?
 I do not claim that. If I have ever claimed that, I was wrong. Opposition is not oppression. 
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

 Seems like the opposite is true -- you are the one complaining about how others express themselves.  Which is fine -- kvetch away.  Just don't pretend you're doing something other than what you are doing.

I disagree with your view of snuggling, but other than thinking it's poor form to single out another alliance in your recruitment post, I have no quibble over you expressing your non-snuggly perspective.

I think the key difference that I see is that you express disapprobation not about the behavior snuggling but disrespect for the group of people ("the snugly crowd").
Now we're getting to the meat of this. I get it now. You think I have professed respect, while at the same time laughing at you behind your back. I can only say it isn't true. I know the jab at hugs seemed to be personal to you, and for that I am sorry but it was not meant as that.  
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

You are certainly free to do so, but it might be better to do so someplace other than your recruitment thread.  I personally think that personalizing attacks in this way is counterproductive, but I wouldn't want to limit your freedom to express your views.

At the same time, when I disagree, I will say so.  Or possibly I won't if I decide that people have said what they have to say and that there is no point in continuing the discussion further.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 02:27
I think, just my outburst here, that this *helps* the recruitment thread.  one, advertisement: all these people been posting here so it's a fairly regular item and two, it shows how some of the people think in the alliance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Apr 2012 at 01:44
I guess I wonder why you feel the need to "call out" people for snuggling.  Maybe you don't like it; OK, people won't snuggle you.  But it seems you are offended by seeing other people greet people in a friendly manner.  Trying to dictate how other people greet each other, as long as it conforms to the code of conduct, seems to be taking an extreme position -- and then you claim that others oppress you and don't let you express opposition?  Seems like the opposite is true -- you are the one complaining about how others express themselves.  Which is fine -- kvetch away.  Just don't pretend you're doing something other than what you are doing.

I disagree with your view of snuggling, but other than thinking it's poor form to single out another alliance in your recruitment post, I have no quibble over you expressing your non-snuggly perspective.

I think the key difference that I see is that you express disapprobation not about the behavior snuggling but disrespect for the group of people ("the snugly crowd").  You are certainly free to do so, but it might be better to do so someplace other than your recruitment thread.  I personally think that personalizing attacks in this way is counterproductive, but I wouldn't want to limit your freedom to express your views.  

At the same time, when I disagree, I will say so.  Or possibly I won't if I decide that people have said what they have to say and that there is no point in continuing the discussion further.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 21:29
Originally posted by abstractdream abstractdream wrote:

I admit the word "hug" may need to be Illy-copywritten. I do have a bit of hugophobia going on, but honestly I was not trying to call your alliance out. I was actually tring to call out everyone who snuggles, huggles, sniggles and whatever other dripping form of greeting there is. I'm just not a snugly chat fan but I do not have a problem with all of the lame touchy feely crap that usually goes on in the snugly crowd. I can ignore it. My refence to hugs was taken wrong and I should not have gone there and for that I appologize.


So I got a bit uppity and I apologize, again. If the two sentences in question were removed?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2012 at 19:52
/me would like to point out lest anyone misunderstands that she does in fact admire many people who have disabilities.

/me just questions whether "lame" was intended to express such admiration in this context.
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