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Irrespective of anything else that this thread is about.
My alliance was in the Consone War, when we sued for peace we were told by H? leadership that all discussions were to be kept secret, all terms were to be kept secret and under no circumstances were they to be discussed with anyone - at any time.

My alliance was part of the Grand Alliance. The references to discussions about surrender were the same

Move on folks - nothing unusual to see here


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Originally posted by Nokigon Nokigon wrote:

I think it is worth noting that the reparations paid by Consone took the form of cities lost by the alliance, with a small number of adv resources in reparations. This was undoubtedly supposed to hold Consone back by a few months. The reparations paid by the Coalition had the intent of lining the Grand Alliances pockets.

... and making sure the losing side had less to spend at the same time, I'd say.

I, too, am aware of those so-called 'fair demands'. Like Angrim, I am bound.*  However, the fact that GA refuses to discuss them openly even now should tell enough.

*(although, if one believes such demands stay a secret in Illy, one should think a second time, and a third time)
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I think it is worth noting that the reparations paid by Consone took the form of cities lost by the alliance, with a small number of adv resources in reparations. This was undoubtedly supposed to hold Consone back by a few months. The reparations paid by the Coalition had the intent of lining the Grand Alliances pockets.
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The post isn't doing so bad, considering the topic. Keep discussing it all you want. :)

If I find a post that doesn't work with the rules of civil (mostly) conversation, I will just delete it and move on. 


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I just deleted my last post as this thread is already starting to drift 'Off Topic' and will probably continue to do so!
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Originally posted by Venita Venita wrote:

Ah I was keeping Shams identity a secret, Of COURSE I know who was playing the account.  What choice did he have ?  NC went after all his cities, every single one.  


So you lied, and if the statement above is true then not for the first time either.

He chose the fate of that account. It could easily have been stopped but he did not want it that way.
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EE went after TVM because we were an easy target of revenge, which they knew would bait H? into war. After many telling comments from players on the GA side, it is clear that was their plan from at least the summer of 2013. They stomped on us as a bonus, not as the primary goal.

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Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

As a former Consone member I want to make clear, that this war was no Consone war, though some former allies joined forces with some Crow alliances, and some alliances not being part of any of those blocks.
EE is on record (at least for those of us who saw Hath's exposed post) as having justified its entry into the war based at least in part on hostilities with TVM carried forward from the Consone war...my point being that for some, the last war *was*, in some sense, a rematch. but i agree that imagining the last war as a sequel to the Consone war would be a mistake.
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As a former Consone member I want to make clear, that this war was no Consone war, though some former allies joined forces with some Crow alliances, and some alliances not being part of any of those blocks.

Where concrete amounts of reparations paid were agreed on to stay secret (and I'll value this contract), the official directive of H? (I guess also posted in the forums...) was to throw us back about half a year. At least for my case (and I'm a slow player) they achieved maybe even a bit less in town growth, and items, well, those were paid and stuff was finished for me.

As I don't know exact data on the new contracts, I can't compare, but if they about achieve the same thing, well, that's live. There's no good or bad in reparations, just wether the payer has the chance to return at a reasonable time.

About players "sieged out"... if those were offered any way to save their towns and they didn't take it => their fault. 
If they had no chance => my plea goes out to all alliances to try to avoid that scenario!

And some players (at least in Consone war) quit because they didn't stand the constant war and bashing in the forums... Maybe the biggest losses to the game... Cry
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I remember the Shamarra incident quite well, I rallied to her side and was quite vocal in gc about it. Her towns were near one of mine, when I noticed all the sieges surrounding her cities I messaged her and asked if she needed help. She asked for help and I proceeded to contact NC and a neutral alliance in hopes of letting her bow out of the BANE agreement to hand over 2 cities. Negotiations failed.

It was some time later when I found out she, Shamarra, was a he and he was gifted the account after his girlfriend quit the game. I was privy to an IGM 'Shamarra' wrote where he said he was suiciding out of the game and that it wasn't his account anyways. Needless to say I was quite upset that he tricked me into thinking he needed help and was being 'picked on'.
I don't like gifted accounts, which are illegal as far as I know, stirring up trouble and trying to drag others into it. He decided to go out in a bang on an account that wasn't his on a game he was no longer interested in playing. He should of accepted the 2 city lose and gave the other cities to II.
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