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If we're going to discuss war, why not do it while enjoying good music? Wink
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lol Epi LOL

As an insider I would comment the following...

Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:

What started the war and what caused supposed peaceful alliances to turn the game into evony? As an outsider who was quite active at the time I can give my perspective;

1)The confederation who lost the last war was still bitter and wanted revenge.
I can't comment on desires for revenge and such; but I can say with absolute confidence that most Consone alliances were not involved in the Great War.

Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:


2)The minor wars between NC and BANE, which saw many players from other alliances join in.
Spot on. The circumstances surrounding that war (especially the flimsy casus belli) were a major factor for at least 6 alliances (including my own) to join the GA.

Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:

3)A minor skirmish between Tcol and some other alliance I can't remember the name of.
Could it have been the skirmish between BSH(TCol) and uCrow? If you're referring to this incident... then yes, it also played a role.

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4)Personal hatreds and feuds, especially against The_Dude.
I'm not sure what to say to that, except that The_Dude was never an "objective" for the GA. He was obviously a high value target as the leader of RES; but I doubt he was ever a prefered targeted due to his infamy.

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5)Fear that H? would somehow come back to win became 'destroy them before they destroy us'
This one's definitely wrong. Everyone in the GA knew the war was won from the very beginning. We had overwhelming numbers and the geographical advantage to win the war.

Here's a little fact that only the leaders of the GA alliances know: We put considerable effort early on, into discouraging the other side from fighting. Unfortunately their messaging was stronger than ours, and it resulted in the other side being even more determined to fight. Geek

Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:

6)Bored players with a ton of resources and permasits, plus blind followers.
I respectfully disagree. As far as I know; every alliance informed their members and offered them the possibility of opting out of the conflict. So no blind followers, only willing participants.

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7)A snub of general chat for outside confed chat rooms that alienated the community
I don't know what to say to that. Illyriad does not have confed chat, or the ability for group chats so people have to resort to other mediums like chatzy.

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8)The war between I think uCrow, Alt, Celtic Knights and RE unleashed the game plan that the 'peaceful' alliances coordinated at least 6 months beforehand.
It definitely wasn't 6 months beforehand, but I will not deny that there was some premeditation. Please my comment above for more info...

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All this lead up to Illy turning into Evony for close to a year.
And yet you made a killing on the markets, and never suffered a single attack! lol Tongue

All in all I found your insights quite interesting and even a little funny. Hope my comments don't come across too harsh. Thanks for sharing!

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I have no intention of hijacking this post, or dictating the outcome of Orin's historical account of the Great War. I will limit myself to offering my personal opinion; sharing some insider secrets every now and again, and disagreeing where necessary. As the war has long past, it is my sole intention, to have a constructive conversation about its history.
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Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

Guys, why not offer some dates, approximate or even exact data on towns lost, number of players who chose personal surrender, etc...
I have some data from the war, but its purely for archival purposes.

Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

So point 2: When would each side date the start of the war, maybe starting with the smaller alliances' wars at the beginning?
For me the war started when H? threatened war against DARK for intervening to stop the NC vs. BANE conflict. Elsewhere in illyriad Kumo and KP were making very public comments to the effect that Crowfed was getting too large, and was starting to smother the game. And in yet another corner of illyriad... H? was threatening to siege a player called Hannibal Foulwind out of the game.

There might be some protest/upheaval about that last claim, but make no mistake; its a confirmed fact.

It would ultimately take a few weeks before the first war declarations; but in my opinion it was these events, which lead to the conversations which ultimately gave birth to a Grand Alliance.

As far as timelines go, I'd say this happened in August and early September 2013.

edit: Corrected dates from 2014 to 2013 LOL


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What started the war and what caused supposed peaceful alliances to turn the game into evony? As an outsider who was quite active at the time I can give my perspective;

1)The confederation who lost the last war was still bitter and wanted revenge.
2)The minor wars between NC and BANE, which saw many players from other alliances join in.
3)A minor skirmish between Tcol and some other alliance I can't remember the name of.
4)Personal hatreds and feuds, especially against The_Dude.
5)Fear that H? would somehow come back to win became 'destroy them before they destroy us'
5)Bored players with a ton of resources and permasits, plus blind followers.
6)A snub of general chat for outside confed chat rooms that alienated the community
7)The war between I think uCrow, Alt, Celtic Knights and RE unleashed the game plan that the 'peaceful' alliances coordinated at least 6 months beforehand.

All this lead up to Illy turning into Evony for close to a year.
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OK, fact one both sides agree on: there had been reparations Wacko

Guys, why not offer some dates, aproximate or even exact data on towns lost, number of players who chose personal surrender, etc...

The spreadsheet looks cool, btw... Thumbs Up

So point 2: When would each side date the start of the war, maybe starting with the smaller alliances' wars at the beginning?


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Originally posted by Gragnog Gragnog wrote:

Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

Great idea to try for an unbiased history, but that always opens a can of worms.

To my astonishment the loosing side seems really quiet and content with that approach (big thumbs up for that Thumbs Up), while the winning side and players who left the war without too much losses do all the shouting... LOL


We on the losing side know what was done and are ok with that. We are going on and doing things we want to do. The victors know what they did and need to deal with it themselves. You reap what you sow. The surrender terms were absolutely crazy and if I did not get help would never have been able to afford it.

You know full well that we ultimately held you and your former alliance responsible for the enormous toll of the great war. It's rather obvious that you wouldn't be afforded the same treatment as the other alliances.

H? members who surrendered early paid a fraction of what the rest paid later on. With one clear exception being the player who had cities in Djebeli, Larn and Elijal.

edit: improved for clarity. 



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Originally posted by Hora Hora wrote:

Great idea to try for an unbiased history, but that always opens a can of worms.

To my astonishment the loosing side seems really quiet and content with that approach (big thumbs up for that Thumbs Up), while the winning side and players who left the war without too much losses do all the shouting... LOL


We on the losing side know what was done and are ok with that. We are going on and doing things we want to do. The victors know what they did and need to deal with it themselves. You reap what you sow. The surrender terms were absolutely crazy and if I did not get help would never have been able to afford it.
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Great idea to try for an unbiased history, but that always opens a can of worms.

To my astonishment the loosing side seems really quiet and content with that approach (big thumbs up for that Thumbs Up), while the winning side and players who left the war without too much losses do all the shouting... LOL
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hey guys its over! cheer up - its a great time for us all to rebuild and enjoy peace! 

not unless you guys wanted to start one. Tongue

Disclaimer: The above is jcx|orcboy's personal opinion and is not the opinion or policy of Harmless? [H?] or of the little green men that have been following him all day.

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The aim of this post was to supply information, not to have people at each other. If you have any info, again IGM orin. 
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