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Originally posted by eowan the short eowan the short wrote:

You still haven't explained how GH is moving unless you are account sharing as, according to you, sabbathius no longer plays.

Now, to me, a leader who's rank puts them at the top of the roster is probably the leader, otherwise, why are they at the top of the roster? Especially when said leader is the founder of the alliance and the largest player in it by quite some margin. Could you explain to me why you would place your leader anywhere but the top of your roster?

You should note that Sabbathius' first alliance was "The King's Men". He was not the King. And to some extent, I am not, either.

As for the moving part, stop making silly questions Eowan. When I say we will move - we will move. That is all you have to know (actually you don't have to know anything since none of this concerns you, you merely loved to jeopardize the game for everyone with a silly land claim non-sense that was nothing serious and that only Sabbathius spoke about - in a goddamn IGM few people saw - and that you loved to escalate and turn public before it could even be dealt with. Do you really think an alliance this small would try to claim an area of this size with so many powerful alliances with cities on it, for instance?).

So in the behalf of GH, I have to give you our thanks, Eowan, for being a really big troll. I just wish you could put your nose into your own matters, or in actually playing the game since your accounts have been small for ages.
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Originally posted by King Sigerius King Sigerius wrote:

When you said it was because they are "personally tied to me" it became personal. I would break any seige on any TCol member anywhere for any reason near me no questions asked and yet you can't trust me? Who has Iron attacked ever? We have only ever been attacked yet you think Aga is out to get you. Enjoy being engulfed in "politics" you are missing out on a lot of good friends, and so am I because of bs. Lots of people including me play this game for a reason, not to spend months/years building towns, spending real money only to have them forcefully removed by someone with a crap excuse a region over. Especially when they have never done anything to wrong you.

You called them informal allies, which is different from RL friends imho. We don't think Aga is out to get us (lol) but he has been trash talking us in GC, and Iron is confed with Aesir. It is funny to hear this from you. I only ended up in Tcol because you insisted leaving Dlord when Belegar wouldn't take the alliance to war over a herb patch bump. 
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When you said it was because they are "personally tied to me" it became personal. I would break any seige on any TCol member anywhere for any reason near me no questions asked and yet you can't trust me? Who has Iron attacked ever? We have only ever been attacked yet you think Aga is out to get you. Enjoy being engulfed in "politics" you are missing out on a lot of good friends, and so am I because of bs. Lots of people including me play this game for a reason, not to spend months/years building towns, spending real money only to have them forcefully removed by someone with a crap excuse a region over. Especially when they have never done anything to wrong you.
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Originally posted by King Sigerius King Sigerius wrote:

Personally tied to me? Dude are friends, get real man. Everyone in Illy has friends. If you seen my friends list you'd be declaring on everyone near you. Including yourself though doesn't feel like it.

Really? You're gonna make this personal? 
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You still haven't explained how GH is moving unless you are account sharing as, according to you, sabbathius no longer plays.

Now, to me, a leader who's rank puts them at the top of the roster is probably the leader, otherwise, why are they at the top of the roster? Especially when said leader is the founder of the alliance and the largest player in it by quite some margin. Could you explain to me why you would place your leader anywhere but the top of your roster?
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Personally tied to me? Dude are friends, get real man. Everyone in Illy has friends. If you seen my friends list you'd be declaring on everyone near you. Including yourself though doesn't feel like it.
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Originally posted by Yitshak Yitshak wrote:

Originally posted by Orcish Warlord Orcish Warlord wrote:

When you presume that Sabbathius was or is the leader of Golden Horde at any point, you are merely assuming something that is not correct.  

Originally posted by Orcish Warlord Orcish Warlord wrote:

I don't see an issue with what I wrote - you are merely interpreting it the way you want. Sabbathius was a leader. 

Contradiction or what ? 

Any further comment is superfluous.

That isn't a contradiction. You're interpreting "the" to be a synonym of "a". This is not the case. Neither is "the" the synonym of "a". While the leader can certainly be a leader within the organization, a leader does not necessarily have to be the leader.

An example: a lieutenant is the leader of a group of a subsection of a unit, but, since he reports to his leader, you can infer that they are not the leader of the unit as a whole. They are a leader in the unit, not the leader of the unit.
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Originally posted by Orcish Warlord Orcish Warlord wrote:

When you presume that Sabbathius was or is the leader of Golden Horde at any point, you are merely assuming something that is not correct.  

Originally posted by Orcish Warlord Orcish Warlord wrote:

I don't see an issue with what I wrote - you are merely interpreting it the way you want. Sabbathius was a leader. 

Contradiction or what ? 

Any further comment is superfluous.
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I don't see an issue with what I wrote - you are merely interpreting it the way you want. Sabbathius was a leader. The only one? No.

Either way speaking of these things isn't going to get us anywhere. We are moving and that is what matters.


Edited by Orcish Warlord - 09 Feb 2018 at 12:08
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Umm... orcish, if I want to speak to an alliance leader, I message the person at the top of their roster. That is how every single alliance works in illy unless you mean to tell me that from now on if I want to contact an alliance about something, I should message everyone from the lowliest noob and up just in case that noob is actually the leader.

You say he was a figurehead but that still means he was a representative of GH and therefore his actions can be taken as representative of GH as a whole.

Also, a scapegoat is someone who is blamed for the wrong doing of others so doesn't you calling sabbathius a scapegoat clash somewhat with the narrative you present being that he did it on his own of his own volition. Unless of course you mean to tell me that you have been scapegoating sabbathius and GH was actually behind the whole thing.

Additionally, you have claimed that the farming simulator account is a sat account and that sabbathius has no further interest in the game but have also claimed that GH are moving out of taomist. How exactly do you intend to do this unless you have access to his passwords as you can't exodus as sitter?

Finally, as a further demonstration of proof that Sabbathius was your leader, I will now quote from your own alliance profile:
" Our Former Founder and Former Leader known as Sabbathius is absent for the moment"
Note that founder and leader are differentiated to show that Sabbathius was definitely the leader as well as founder.
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