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Arian 
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 Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 12:07 |
Just out of curiosity do you conclude the same about Crowfed? From everything I have read each Crowfed alliance also makes it's own decisions. So can you explain the difference to me?
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 09:13 |
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Speaking (unofficially in some cases) for the aggrieved parties we represent, I can say issues with Consone usually did not involve any major losses of troops. Rather, the entity within Consone perpetrating the issue simply took what he wanted and the aggrieved felt unable to mount any effective resistance. I know of only one time where someone in Consone tried this kind of stunt and didn't get his way, and that was when a member of Harmless was the intended victim.
A large portion of the incidents were also simply cases of aggressive territorial encroaching by harvesting/gathering units and/or the unwarranted destruction of such in neutral territory. Given that we could not be so easily bullied, our issues directly involving Harmless were usually great in quantity rather than magnitude. More grievous offenses were reserved for far weaker foes (including players in Toothless and DLords, BTW--alliances possessing our very oldest military pledges of support).
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The_Dude
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 06:26 |
 SunStorm wrote:
Darmon wrote:
2) Can anyone explain to me what the Consone command structure actually looks like? I get the impression that Jasche is the point-of-contact for things, but what happens after that? |
I have asked about this in the past as well. |
Jasche told me today that he is NOT in control of Consone. He has told me that many times. Jasche has told me that Consone has no leader. That each Consone makes its own decisions. 
My conclusion is that Consone is a snake pit. 
Edited by The_Dude - 17 Oct 2012 at 06:26
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SunStorm
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 06:14 |
Darmon wrote:
2) Can anyone explain to me what the Consone command structure actually looks like? I get the impression that Jasche is the point-of-contact for things, but what happens after that? |
I have asked about this in the past as well.
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Darmon
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 05:55 |
Some follow-up questions to what Silverlake was saying above (I really don't want to quote his whole post, just read it):
1) Have peoples' past unsavory experiences with Consone not gone quite as far as the ABSA/RHY mine incident? That is to say, were military losses not previously incurred?
2) Can anyone explain to me what the Consone command structure actually looks like? I get the impression that Jasche is the point-of-contact for things, but what happens after that?
3) Does this mean that H? is the new Illy-police? It sounds like people are already taking their problems over there, and now they're seeking justice/vengeance/whatever for a group they accuse of bullying.
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Silverlake
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 04:40 |
I just wanted to share my perspective on this war...
For me, it has been very stressful for the past few months of having to assist in matters of what I consider bullying… where a stronger player takes advantage of a smaller player in terms of harvesting, city locations, resources, and intimidation. I actually wrote a post about it, but did not initially mention names. Almost all of these matters were in response to an action taken by a Consone member. And in some of these instances, the issues were not involving big against small, they were between equals, yet one always played the "I'm in Consone card," which can be very intimidating.
To make matters worse, Consone leadership was informed of these matters but failed to take corrective actions, some ignored the issues, and some where down right dismissive… and nothing got resolved, it just keep building up and up. I know I am not the only one who had to deal with these issues, some choose to remain silent as not to offend. In my opinion, Consone never got their idea of this utopia through to their players and then failed to correct negative behaviors, some players boasted about size and strength and did what they wanted, and some Consone alliances actually posted rules about what they expect from other players when it came to harvesting but they violated the same rules when it came to their players harvesting by another player’s city.
For me personally, the final straw was when Absa drew first blood with Rhy. What happened next we all know, enter VIC, enter H, enter EE, enter Frost, enter Druid, every body and their sister entered (LOL)...
So you have one person’s opinion and reason for standing with his alliance. All the beautiful words in world, and all the elegant expressions of peace and harmony, do not change the past facts… several members of Consone failed to live up to its high standards, and several leaders in Consone turned a blind eye. I have never considered myself part of a server police squad, but a reasonable person can only stand so much.
Now I know I can rhetorically lash out at people I find hypocritical, or overly verbose, but this is different, no one should have the right to take and kill without suffering the consequences.
edit: for grammar, oooops 
Edited by Silverlake - 17 Oct 2012 at 04:42
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Darmon
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 15:11 |
Southern Dwarf wrote:
I just wish that people would realize that none of these threads are able to help brokering a peace. If you are all so eager to see a war fight yourself one but restrain from instigating something where people who don't want to fight have to suffer from your propaganda. |
I'm not sure the goal of any of these threads is to magically bring peace. When it comes down to it, the only people that can do that are the people that let it get this big, and I suppose that would be all the alliance leaders involved. And as far as I can tell, besides Grego (and that's just speculation based on one post), parties involved don't seem to have that very high on the agenda.
I suspect most neutral parties, and perhaps players in general, don't bother to come to these forums (and maybe just skip 56+ page posts entirely). Personally, I don't mind the constant bombardment of (sometimes sub-par) propaganda. I consider this war to be generally against the best interests of Elgea as a whole.
However, as a fairly new player, it's infinitely helpful in shining light in all the dark corners. Imagine how much people without set-in-stone opinions are taking away from this. I've already learned a great deal about all parties involved simply by how they present themselves. And I suspect that before the dust settles, I'll learn a great deal more.
Edited by Darmon - 16 Oct 2012 at 15:12
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Southern Dwarf
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 10:43 |
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I just wish that people would realize that none of these threads are able to help brokering a peace. If you are all so eager to see a war fight yourself one but restrain from instigating something where people who don't want to fight have to suffer from your propaganda.
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Rasak
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 10:26 |
Garth wrote:
Darmon wrote:
ES2 wrote:
They then, fearful that someone would hold power with a substantiale military force, worry that someone will destroy their time and money, so they unify to combat what they percieve as a threat. Once they obtain enough power, they may look for a chance to eliminate those that worried them , those that they percieved as a threat to their time and money spent.
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You know EF, I thought you were solidly in the anti-Consone camp, but I'm not sure if you're referring to H?, Consone, or just people in general. Maybe I've got you pegged all wrong; you're against training alliances, old insurmountable alliances, paranoid warmongers, people that always try to talk their way out...maybe you just don't approve of anyone? |
This is why I affectionately like to call EF Illy's resident contrarian :) (and now he's trapped, because he can't say "no I'm not"  ) |
This is the thing I was trying to state for all the anti-H? people (vocal majority) in other threads. If you leave out the alliance names when you are speaking about one side or another its extremely difficult if not impossible to tell which side they are talking about. What I think this means is that both sides are behaving closely in mirror image of each other. I do think that Consone has done far more to escalate the situation tho. After all in most cases they were the first to do something that pushed for war. While H? tried to tell everyone early on that any outside involvement would be met with their armies.
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Garth
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 09:57 |
Darmon wrote:
ES2 wrote:
They then, fearful that someone would hold power with a substantiale military force, worry that someone will destroy their time and money, so they unify to combat what they percieve as a threat. Once they obtain enough power, they may look for a chance to eliminate those that worried them , those that they percieved as a threat to their time and money spent.
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You know EF, I thought you were solidly in the anti-Consone camp, but I'm not sure if you're referring to H?, Consone, or just people in general. Maybe I've got you pegged all wrong; you're against training alliances, old insurmountable alliances, paranoid warmongers, people that always try to talk their way out...maybe you just don't approve of anyone? |
This is why I affectionately like to call EF Illy's resident contrarian :) (and now he's trapped, because he can't say "no I'm not" )
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