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Daunt 
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 Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 09:19 |
 Darmon wrote:
Daunt wrote:
... people ... want to either be left alone or join the winning side.
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... do you think this war will mean good recruitment for anyone involved? |
I didn't mean that recruitment will increase, but that guilds might opportunistically join an alliance to gain some benefit. Like if two small neighboring guilds have an uneasy peace and one starts being attacked by an alliance, the other might join that alliance, or at least join in the fight against his neighbor.
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Darmon
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 07:06 |
Daunt wrote:
Even the propaganda and arguments make for a great part of the game. (  Alert -- Biased opinion coming ) In this conflict one side primarily has guilds with a stated military purpose and the other primarily has RP or PvE stated purposes and yet both claim the other is the clear aggressor. It's pretty great to watch because that's how things really play out in international diplomacy. And just like international diplomacy all the blustering is largely futile because the few people who are not partisan don't really care about justice, but want to either be left alone or join the winning side.
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I can understand people that don't want to get involved (does seem a risky business ti take a side, and then end up on the losing side), but do you think this war will mean good recruitment for anyone involved? Also, would anyone in their right mind accept new unknown members during the course of the war?
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Daunt
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 06:55 |
Alvartalur wrote:
I suggest that the DEV team set up another server, so players could decide between a PvP server and a PvE/Tournament server. |
I don't think that is necessary. I certainly lean toward the PvE style, and games like Evony hold no interest for me, but a pure crafting game probably wouldn't work for me either (not that I have found a good one -- maybe Puzzle Pirates). If the game turns into "the top 3 guilds bully everyone else" I'll quit, but I don't really see that happening.
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Alternatively (or meanwhile) people have to face the fact, that players of different plying stiles are playing the same game.
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I think people actually appreciate that already. A guild that just tries to make roads from sovereignty wouldn't be interesting if that was the goal of the game. It's fun because they can exercise their creativity when so many other people want to fight.
Even the propaganda and arguments make for a great part of the game. ( Alert -- Biased opinion coming ) In this conflict one side primarily has guilds with a stated military purpose and the other primarily has RP or PvE stated purposes and yet both claim the other is the clear aggressor. It's pretty great to watch because that's how things really play out in international diplomacy. And just like international diplomacy all the blustering is largely futile because the few people who are not partisan don't really care about justice, but want to either be left alone or join the winning side.
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STAR
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 05:43 |
I would also have to agree with the poster that Consone was probably not expecting the support from H? with the Rhy and Absa situation and am pretty sure it would have come as a shock to them. I am guessing that things may have escalated for the worst in Rhys behalf if H? did not come forward as their "silent confederate". It was interesting to read that fact in the Absa and Rhy thread before this situation had escalated to the point it is at now.
What i find interesting most of all is this situation, personally i dont think it should have gotten this far if Consone had done and stuck to what they had publicly declared when they officially announced the Consone confederacy. They are spose to be a band of "peaceful" alliances and yet they find themselves in a War each side declaring their own ideals of game play.
Weather or not it was a ploy to gain an upper hand over the other is anyone's guess.
It really should not come as a surprise to any H? members that H? would be branded the "bad guy" and it really should not come as a surprise to others that H? will defend what they think is right, rather prepare yourselves for what is to come since words are not going to stop what is already in motion.
What ever the outcome, Good luck to both sides
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Darmon
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 04:52 |
ES2 wrote:
They then, fearful that someone would hold power with a substantiale military force, worry that someone will destroy their time and money, so they unify to combat what they percieve as a threat. Once they obtain enough power, they may look for a chance to eliminate those that worried them , those that they percieved as a threat to their time and money spent.
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You know EF, I thought you were solidly in the anti-Consone camp, but I'm not sure if you're referring to H?, Consone, or just people in general. Maybe I've got you pegged all wrong; you're against training alliances, old insurmountable alliances, paranoid warmongers, people that always try to talk their way out...maybe you just don't approve of anyone?
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ES2
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 22:56 |
This game is lost as it is, its become a social media network instead of a fantasy medevial"ish" game.
Because people have put a minute here and there and unfortunately real money for some into this game, they become too emotionally attached and then get peeved when someone else dares to use most of the games inventory for what it was designed to do "ahem" military.
They then, fearful that someone would hold power with a substantiale military force, worry that someone will destroy their time and money, so they unify to combat what they percieve as a threat. Once they obtain enough power, they may look for a chance to eliminate those that worried them , those that they percieved as a threat to their time and money spent.
Human Nature, at it's finest.
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Alvartalur
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 22:39 |
Southern Dwarf wrote:
Alvartalur wrote:
It is incredibly funny to see how people are fighting over a fight in a war game. |
I might occur to you that a significant part of the player base does not regard this game as only a war game but as something with a greater scope. The world is not a battlefield alone like in other games but a place of mysteries, trade and opportuneties. |
Exactly. That was my point about different playing styles, and why I argue for a PvE/Tournament server. Though I know it will never gonna happen, of course.
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Uno
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 21:25 |
belargyle wrote:
Now here is the pot calling the kettle black senario on the above statement: 9 to 10 alliances (Consone) against 1 (H?).. Anyone see a problem with the these odds  |
I don't know if someone does but I do now a whole alliance who doesn't: it is the one called Harmless?, since it was them to prepare and start this war, as you can read in the OP. Anyways, I find your comparison of H? helping RHY against Absa and Absa helping SkB against RHY to be quite hilarious.
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Eréc of Caer Uisc
King of Dyfneint
Indomiti Alliance
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scaramouche
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 19:38 |
KillerPoodle wrote:
Or as close to it as anyone is likely to get.
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Vanerin
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 17:42 |
I very much agree with you Loud Whispers.
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