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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 06:16
Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

Not going to lie, this sounds incredibly paranoid.   It also kind of confirms suspicions that this has been in the works for some time, and the mine incident was just just an excuse (You settled one diplomatic issue and decided that was the basis for a confederation?)

I think ultimately this is just a pro-H? version of what everyone assumed was happening anyway.  Which I guess is the point.
All these threads and comments that are becoming more and more Anti-H?, I can't really blame H? for putting out their version to combat the massive propaganda that Consone Fed is putting out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 06:14
Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

(You settled one diplomatic issue and decided that was the basis for a confederation?)


RHY has been on our forums for over 6 months - I just didn't want to spend a bunch of words and make the post above even longer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 06:08
Not going to lie, this sounds incredibly paranoid.   It also kind of confirms suspicions that this has been in the works for some time, and the mine incident was just just an excuse (You settled one diplomatic issue and decided that was the basis for a confederation?)

I think ultimately this is just a pro-H? version of what everyone assumed was happening anyway.  Which I guess is the point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 05:19
See of that I am not sure.  My ideas for Illy are this:  every action has a reaction, but the reaction is rarely the opposite - it is usually much different, unpredictable, and rarely equal.

Moral of the Story - don't kick a sleeping bear in the cookies, and then taunt it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 05:12
I fail to understand what Absa did to merit a SIEGE against uninvolved, small members.

An insulting IGM? Several lost troops? Maybe, according to some people.

I don't know. I still think, in my own opinion, that sieging towns was an overreaction and unjustified.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 05:04
Originally posted by Juswin Juswin wrote:

...What confederate would stand by and watch the cities of small players in an old confederated alliance get sieged for no clear, justifiable reason?...

If a confederate of Dark did what ABSA did, we likely would not back them up.  
Sometimes when you dig a deep hole, you fall in.

This has been rehashed elsewhere though, no?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 04:51
I dunno about Consone being jerks and such. Jasche has clearly stated and we also believe that sieging Absa towns due to a loss of soldiers over a mine is an overreaction. I am sure most people will agree with this. There is a lot of killing troops over rare resources, but it is not a pretext for sending sieges. Nor is being an "a-hole" a legitimate reason to siege uninvolved Absa players. And breaking sieges is not a hostile act. What confederate would stand by and watch the cities of small players in an old confederated alliance get sieged for no clear, justifiable reason?

Please stop insinuating that Consone was looking for this fight. You can clearly see that we were heavily involved in the tournament. Especially Absa! How could Absa even want to start a fight with RHY when they are very much committing their troops in the tournament?

A lot of political bs may be said and all, but the entire matter is just simple. We never wanted this war. It was pushed on us.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 04:47
It's great to hear the story from your perspective, KP.  Thank you for sharing!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 04:43
I can say that Dark and WoT had a similar experience over a mine, however it was with different area of Consone.  This mine was 4 squares from a Dark town that Dark and WoT were sharing and timing mining, since it was a rare with a really long harvest time we did have a holding army there.

The Consone player smashed the army, and tried to tell us how, when and where we are allowed to use our armies.

The leader of that alliance basically ignored the issue when it was brought to him, informing us that the player had that right, and that if we placed a holding force there again to expect it to be smashed again, and that the Dark town that was near was more or less abandoned.  The phrase was that our claim was 'spurious' at best.

Now, had Dark or WoT retaliated further, or had not a really helpful person in that alliance been able to help us out, Dark and/or WoT could be in the same situation as RHY.

Interesting.  History almost repeated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 04:19
Cant say i can agree with this post post 100% but I will say that i appreciate you sharing your veiw KP. Hopefully there is a resolution to this mess and there are parties involved trying to reach it
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