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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 17:21
Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

I think ultimately this is just a pro-H? version of what everyone assumed was happening anyway.  Which I guess is the point.
Eh, it's not much worse than any of the pro-consone versions. In any case it's good to see all the viewpoints.

Originally posted by Beecks Beecks wrote:

I don't find the 'H? as the bully' narrative to be particularly compelling; especially when you consider that if H? really were the warmongers their opponents are making them out to be then why would they have waited nearly a year since their last conflict?
Since you get gems like this.

Bottom line is all I've met with consone are nice people. All I've met with H? are nice people. Both sides are hardly the vicious warmongers they paint each other to be.
The war is an overreaction of both sides.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 17:12
[15 Oct 12:07]<System> ** News Flash: The Siege of Harrys Fifth belonging to Harry Gihan [RES] by Skorn [WE] has begun

Clear and convincing evidence of Consone's unbridled ambition.Angry

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 17:09
I think the main difference is in the manner of aid sent.
 
I am a big fan of the way H? goes about most of their opperations. In paticular they hold the responsable parties accountable for their decisions (military, diplomatic, ect.). That's why this whole affiar confuses me. H? sent aid to RHY who was sieging players who were not involved with the initial clashes between RHY and ABSA.
 
If the sieges were all involving the players who attacked RHY or taunted them I think there would be less question as to motives.
 
These are my thoughts and do not reflect either the feelings of my alliance or Confederations.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 16:46
Here is what I find funny..

The whole - big alliance against a smaller one, statement. As though H? engaged ABSA a in military offensive.
H? was there helping an ally- just as ABSA did.  It was fair for ABSA, it is fair H? - Please - for the love of PETE - stop all the incessant whining.

Now here is the pot calling the kettle black senario on the above statement:
9 to 10 alliances (Consone) against 1 (H?).. Anyone see a problem with the these odds Shocked

Dlords agree. We like these odds, count us in! (so make it against 2). We don't just talk about and whine what is unfair.. we act on it.

By the way, our declaration of war is nothing personal toward individual allainces (as many of the alliances involved know, and we have talked about it) but is is 'in part' regarding the Consone mentality it has create with some in their Confed. This is a war and our friends are involved, it is a fight that others have said they want a piece of.. we agree, count us in! For better or worse, it appears enough people desire blood to flow (especially from all the forum posts against H?). Draw your bows, unsheath your swords, and ready your horses, it has been declared and the diplomatic and magic attacks have already begun. 

With respect to issues of a Consone nature - Dlords has had our share of Consone alliances trying to intimidate us as well through threats of them getting Consone involved. Get into a small altercation and it gets thrown out.. Oh yeah, well let's see what Consone has to say about it. Dlords has said it then and we say it again.. we don't care what Consone thinks nor are we afraid of Consone or any other group out there. Don't threaten us with Consone.

I have often wondered what it would have been like if the Dwarven Lords had never confederated with H?. :D  OH my it would have been a bloody but beautiful battle for the history books. But unfortunately for both sides but great as well, we confederated with them back during the White war and stood with them against others seeking power back then and have remained loyal and true friends and Oath Honorers to whom we have given them. Many just don't understand nor appreciate such things such as their word. Not blindly following but watching and appraising. 

We have only broken our oath of fidelity to one alliance (as did H?) and that was the Knights of Ni, when their leader left and the alliance went rogue and broke their oaths with MK members. After trying to get them to stop and to honor their word, H? and DLord both broke our ties with them and threatened to attack on behalf of those left from the previous battle we just came through. From there they stopped and created TMM.. and we all know that story.. but guess who fought their old allies.. H? and Dlord.

The above is a brief history of Dlord and that we love to fight/war and we love to help with peace. Make no mistake, we love them both equally. But we have in the mix now, an unbalanced opposition and in fact our own friends involved.. so you can bet, The Dwarven Lords are there - Smiling.

Now everyone can please stop the babbling ... get in it or not it.. but keep the rhetoric to yourselves if at all possible. There is a saying in a sandbox - Put up or shut up. When a Dwarf makes an oath, you can guarantee we will stand up to anything put before us on behalf of our friends, even when it is 10 against 2 or worse.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 16:35
Originally posted by Alvartalur Alvartalur wrote:

It is incredibly funny to see how people are fighting over a fight in a war game.
I might occur to you that a significant part of the player base does not regard this game as only a war game but as something with a greater scope. The world is not a battlefield alone like in other games but a place of mysteries, trade and opportuneties.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 16:02
KillerPoodle, thank you for your post. It was very helpful. I am not sure I agree with everything you said or actions taken, but I still appreciate you clearly laying out your perspective.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 14:12

It is incredibly funny to see how people are fighting over a fight in a war game. Though the present situation on a concrete scale can be seen as a dispute over one or two mines that grows into a war, I think the situation in general can be characterized more as a war about playing stiles; PvP vs PvE/Tournament. This may not be the Full Story, but I believe it is close to be the true story.


I suggest that the DEV team set up another server, so players could decide between a PvP server and a PvE/Tournament server. On the PvE/Tournament server some of the present war capabilities (like siege) should be disabled. Those in favor of PvP (those who like wars) could go to the PvP server and those in favor of PvE/Tournament (those who like peace most of the time) could go to the PvE/Tournament server.


In order to conclude whether elgea should be the PvP or the PvE/Tournament server, I suggest a full scale world wide war ... :D


Alternatively (or meanwhile) people have to face the fact, that players of different plying stiles are playing the same game.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 12:51
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Even with this wealth of corroboration we didn't really want to act - and that has a lot to do with the old VALAR. In that situation we seriously misjudged things. Before we declared war on VALAR we carefully weighed up the friends we thought they had and the military strength and production strength they ought to have had with their population (despite having been active with their armies recently) and we figured that if everyone came on board it would be a pretty even fight.  What happened in the end was that VALAR themselves crumbled instantly and *not one* of their friends came to help. The result was an embarrassing rout and it was H?'s fault due to our misjudgement so we came to terms as soon as possible and with as little damage done to anyone other than the worst of their leaders.

I must admit that you've been very creative in putting up this imaginative fairy tale but the bit I quoted really surpasses what I thought could be imaginable. As a matter of fact H? declared Confed with Champ the moment before declaring war to Valar and the same happened now one year later with RHY. The only true bit about your tale is the fact that you want to remain the #1 alliance and this is evident in that every time you see some threat you proceed to eliminate it with subtle diplomacy and propaganda, you make sure you are never alone in the deed and make it appear that you are rushing to help the poor and undefended so to not be recognized for what you are by the fools that can't see beyond their noses. One year ago like now you H? were here on the forums with your pompous and arrogant attitude and the LAST thing that crossed your minds was coming to terms as soon as possible. That only happened thanks to the good will and work of people that never had and never will have anything to share with H?'s view of the politics in this game and only after you obtained what you wanted, which was Valar's leadership quitting and the at the time #1 Alliance of the game losing many important members.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 12:25
I believe this:
H? is militaristic alliance, we are #1 and are willing to do anything to stay #1.
(so VIC as #2 is danger for our goal and strong offense is best to defend our goal)

But I don't believe this:
Consone is big evil formed to stunt everyone smaller than H? and working on goal to massively outnumber H? so they can start to stunt also H? and that's why we have to stop them now.

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You might say to me something same as you replied to juxwin, that because I am not part of Consone leadership I have no idea what Consone goals are but that is way too paranoid.

I know what kind of emails I was receiving basically saying... defend, don't retaliate, your town was blighted? - ignore it, only send reinforcements to sieged towns or try to break siege camps and so on...

But I am sure you know it as you seems to be better informed then me and I guess H? has spies in every consone alliance based on "we track and remember as much info about people, alliances and events as it is possible"... but unless you are one of Consone leaders second part of your "full story" is just paranoid speculation.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 10:48


(does anyone still have her on their FB?  I seem to have lost her from my contacts...  If so, shoot me a message please)
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There may be someone out there who does but seeing she left without warning maybe she wanted complete separation from Illy.
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