The disappointment of a warring newbie.

abstractdream wrote: the majority of players are happy with the status quo.

Jarko wrote: abstractdream wrote: the majority of players are happy with the status quo. This is the very classic poorly thought statement of the defenders of the status quo in any settled community. Of course the majority of the players are happy with the status quo - if one isn't happy with the game, he is likely to quit it (leave the "players" group). If you don't know, in statistics this is called "self-selection bias": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias That's why it is important to look not only at the requests/suggestions/complaints of the playerbase, but also at the reasons that have pushed the players who quit to do so. And the playerbase of this game is VERY low compared to the usual browser game - even trash ones have way more players than Illy.  Well, I think (it's a personal opinion!) that part of the reason is that the devs are not launching a new server every n months, which drives off several newbies who are forced to find themselves in a world populated by players which has been playing for years. And about the "take your time to grow up, you'll catch up with the biggest folks and it will be fun" suggestion: yeah, I agree, it will be fun I'm sure... But how many people are willing to spend 2 years to get to the level of the established players? How many would rather start with hundreds/thousands other players at their own level or slightly above it, and quit because they couldn't? That's the whole point of my thread really.

Desi wrote: Jarko, I will admit, at times I miss the fast pace, extreme wars and conquering done in Evony, but if it were that way in Illyriad with the same game modes and time frames for builds, I would not enjoy Illyriad at all.  Six months is a long time for one city to build, just so I can lose it in 1-20 days.  Does this help you at all?   I'm sorry I don't have all of the facts of how Illyriad changed.  I only know brief moments from secondary sources and not my own eyes to elaborate more on it, but perhaps someone else will.

This thread needs an end. Illy does need less warmongers and more worldbuilding.

Well, Jarko, I guess you've got the impression by now that Illyriad isn't going to change to the style of play you prefer.  I was just thinking that the things you like about this game wouldn't work well in a short term server - look how long it takes to build up a city and a military.  Research takes ages.  By the time the server closed, you likely wouldn't even have researched all your T2 units yet!  And the winner(s) would probably be the people who used Prestige to build themselves up more quickly.

Anyway, I am always on the lookout for new games to play and saw one called Lords that reminded me of you.  Here's their description of themselves:

"In this game you are a medieval lord who attacks others to grab their gold and earn glory. To do it effectively you need to build an army, invest in economy and make trade agreements and alliances with other lords. Unlike other games, everything here is fast, you don't spend days hiding in fear behind walls to build economy before launching an attack. Due to the score/rank systems you will be able to invade others the very first day."

I am almost intrigued enough to try this one myself -  "score/rank" systems that let you fight right away?  If you do try it before me, please let me know what you think of it.  Maybe other PVP players might be interested.


Edited by Avion - 20 Jun 2012 at 15:43