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Originally posted by lethargic0N3 lethargic0N3 wrote:

Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:

Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

One massive, monolithic block of permasat accounts is giving way to a large confederation of permasat accounts. If the devs ever halt the rampant multi-accounting in this game, none of the emperors will have any clothes. A system cleanse would return power to alliances consisting of active, engaged players. That is, incidentally, where the power belongs.


QFT!

Hopefully the devs do something about this. 3 very simple things they could do to start:

1) Stop sitters from using troops or diplos.

So a sitter can no longer use the account to defend itself

2) Stop sitters from using caravans to ship gold and supplies to their towns.

So sitters can no longer juggle resources to stop de-levelling or troops disbanding

3) Stop sitters from queueing anything.

This one I'll give you..




What really needs to happen is to either change the system to remove sitters altogether and replace it with some sort of vacation mode.. effectively removing the account from the game for the duration or removing sitting rights after a period of time without the account holder logging in. 


Though i do agree permasat account's to need to be removed removing those three option's i can't see happening as it would defeat the purpose of the people sitting your accounts. 

IE if you have troops on rare herb's ect and your sitter can't send them back out for you you lose them ? but isn't the purpose of sitter to make sure you don't unduely suffer while you have reason's for not being able to log in. 

to be the best and only way to stop permasat is to have the length of time an account can be sat as two month's  which mean if you can't log in on that time even just for five minutes you can't moan about sitter being cancelled, as with that two month periode plus the prestige abandon time that give you nearly 150 days to come back ( if your alliance doesn't put your cities up for siege ... ) 

Which should be more than enough time to come back and have cities still here with your alliance leadership's help. Yes might have some deleveling of buildings but better that ( i've had that might self ) than having 100's of permasat account's 
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Originally posted by Epidemic Epidemic wrote:

Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

One massive, monolithic block of permasat accounts is giving way to a large confederation of permasat accounts. If the devs ever halt the rampant multi-accounting in this game, none of the emperors will have any clothes. A system cleanse would return power to alliances consisting of active, engaged players. That is, incidentally, where the power belongs.


QFT!

Hopefully the devs do something about this. 3 very simple things they could do to start:

1) Stop sitters from using troops or diplos.

So a sitter can no longer use the account to defend itself

2) Stop sitters from using caravans to ship gold and supplies to their towns.

So sitters can no longer juggle resources to stop de-levelling or troops disbanding

3) Stop sitters from queueing anything.

This one I'll give you..




What really needs to happen is to either change the system to remove sitters altogether and replace it with some sort of vacation mode.. effectively removing the account from the game for the duration or removing sitting rights after a period of time without the account holder logging in. 
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Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

One massive, monolithic block of permasat accounts is giving way to a large confederation of permasat accounts. If the devs ever halt the rampant multi-accounting in this game, none of the emperors will have any clothes. A system cleanse would return power to alliances consisting of active, engaged players. That is, incidentally, where the power belongs.


QFT!

Hopefully the devs do something about this. 3 very simple things they could do to start:

1) Stop sitters from using troops or diplos.

2) Stop sitters from using caravans to ship gold and supplies to their towns.

3) Stop sitters from queueing anything.
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In that case, we need a new treaty.
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Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

Um, I don't know what anyone may have told you, but the treaty that ended your war does not in any way restrict my ability to call you out whenever I feel it necessary.
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Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:



Of all the people in this peace I feel the most sorry for, it is you, Aurordan... Who will you rail against now? To which windmill will you tilt? Your skewed world view can accommodate a world where H? is surrendering in good faith? stop the press? Where is your raison d'etre now? Such hatred is not healthy...

Um, I don't know what anyone may have told you, but the treaty that ended your war does not in any way restrict my ability to call you out whenever I feel it necessary.  I guess if you were interested, such an agreement might be possible, but I doubt you could afford it. 
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Close this one Rik.
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Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:



Oh my Devs you're right back at it.  You would give H? credit for the sun rising every morning if you thought you could get away with it.  Harmless spend years encouraging and supporting her allies' aggression across the map.  You don't get credit, in my book, for 'only' reducing  people's accounts by 30% in a war you trumped up right from the start, and every single day, someone, usually you, is out someplace in the forums of GC spewing your bitter slander against someone you don't like.  Give yourselves a rest.  Give everyone a rest.   


Of all the people in this peace I feel the most sorry for, it is you, Aurordan... Who will you rail against now? To which windmill will you tilt? Your skewed world view can accommodate a world where H? is surrendering in good faith? stop the press? Where is your raison d'etre now? Such hatred is not healthy...
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Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

spewing your bitter slander against someone you don't like. 


and I suppose you own the moral high ground on this issue, pot, kettle, black springs to mind...
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Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

Aurodan - lets compare and contrast what H? vs Vultures and friends did with their power.   

On one hand you have an alliance who setup the server wide code of conduct about protecting new players and training alliances.  Who actually aborted more wars than most people realize and who went through a whole bunch of diplomacy to try to prevent another server wide war.  The one major war they did then enter (and remember there was only 1 war dec from H? followed by 6+ from the other side) that some folk (Rill) are using as justification for the current dog pile, lasted 6 months and ended with at most two players (debatable that it's even two) reduced by more than 30% of their accounts and peace settlements which totaled <10bill gold across 8 alliances with individuals leaving the war for approx 50million. 

The "victims" of that war bounced back in a relatively short time to mastermind the next server war for revenge - one which laid waste to most of an entire alliance, upwards of 50 accounts (an probably closer to 100) reduced to 1 city, 40 billion in gold compensation (and counting) and extortions of 1 *billion* gold for single players to exit the war.   Plus all the other terms alliances had to suffer (no more than 10K troops, no participating in tourneys on XYZ square under threat of resumption of war, etrc etc etc.).

Your sycophantic posts of love about the latter group of folk are making you look kinda ridiculous.

Oh my Devs you're right back at it.  You would give H? credit for the sun rising every morning if you thought you could get away with it.  Harmless spend years encouraging and supporting her allies' aggression across the map.  You don't get credit, in my book, for 'only' reducing  people's accounts by 30% in a war you trumped up right from the start, and every single day, someone, usually you, is out someplace in the forums of GC spewing your bitter slander against someone you don't like.  Give yourselves a rest.  Give everyone a rest.   
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