The 10-Square Myth

Auraya wrote: If you're talking about basic resources on the map, I'm just going to chuckle and leave this conversation. I'm talking about settling within 10x10. Harvesting within 5 squares of a player should also be avoided: a) Because the player may have killed the hides/animal parts there but need the troops to kill more NPCs - you can only have 5 armies so occupying all kills is not always possible. b) Because over-harvesting a herb patch near to someone's city is a VERY bad thing to do (and yes, this has happened to me). c) Because quite often your skinners/miners/herbalists will be killed by players replacing their armies and those are costly to replace.  Claiming more than 5 squares for harvesting is silly. The 10 square rule is designed for TWO cities to both have 5 squares each, the idea that one city can claim a full 10 square radius harvesting rights is laughable.

Herb patches and mines are owned if you establish sovereignty over them. A garrison is common sense, especially for herbs. If you can't spare the RP or single commander to establish indisputable ownership, perhaps the validity of your claim is rightly in question.

I feel the same way about hunting. If you can't spare the army, the kill is no longer yours. It's impossible to distinguish a player kill from an NPC-vs-NPC battle. I would never send skinners to a kill without an escort, and I would never send an army to a kill that I didn't make myself. Setting the kill army to Occupy removes all doubt of ownership, and is a tiny investment for the hunter.

Generally, I think people who aren't following these common sense guidelines are basically just trying to start fights. That goes quintuple if their cities are located anywhere near the newb ring. You can already assume that the players around you don't know any complex Illyrian social rules that have been negotiated between seasoned alliances.

As a player 8 out of my 10 cities either had other players settle within the 10 squares (in one case in a distance of 1, due to newbie seeding system ) or I had done so myself after IGMs with the neighbors.

The 10 square rule is set by the game mechanics and it exists whether people like it or not. That applies, in general.

In the specific, if and only if you have a good relationship with your neighbors you can do whatever you all decide is best for your accounts. It is simple as that. It only demands a basic respect of other people's playstyle. 

So, Myll, if someone writes in his profile that he considers all resources in a 5-square around his city as his own, then that is how it is. If you choose to disrespect your neighbor and charge in there and grab them, then you are setting yourself for trouble.

The proper conduct I think is to IGM your neighbor and ask for a specific permit to harvest a particular patch you fancy. A nice IGM and good behavior will get you places in this game, more than a mentality "heh rules .?. who cares about them .?."

Myll wrote: What your policies result in, KP, is for these type issues to lead to war, rather than mere battles.  We/Tsunami [WAVE] do not seek war, especially now, but we don't mind battles.  This game has lacked battles far too often and far too long, and unfortunately your alliance and others went straight to the "Declare War" option far too often, and it shows in your approach even within this thread. Go ahead and kill off our unprotected harvesters if you feel they are within your perceived radius of Divine Mineral Rights, but don't expect finesse and groveling messages all the time, from all alliances. Myll

Translation :

You are going to exploit newbies to start a war and drag some big alliance into it to make them look bad and possibly have some other pile upon them.

Considering that iirc you are an older player that is not disclosing his alt (correct me if I am wrong), I find your motives quite blatantly obvious.

Deranzin wrote: Myll wrote: What your policies result in, KP, is for these type issues to lead to war, rather than mere battles.  We/Tsunami [WAVE] do not seek war, especially now, but we don't mind battles.  This game has lacked battles far too often and far too long, and unfortunately your alliance and others went straight to the "Declare War" option far too often, and it shows in your approach even within this thread. Go ahead and kill off our unprotected harvesters if you feel they are within your perceived radius of Divine Mineral Rights, but don't expect finesse and groveling messages all the time, from all alliances. Myll Translation : You are going to exploit newbies to start a war and drag some big alliance into it to make them look bad and possibly have some other pile upon them. Considering that iirc you are an older player that is not disclosing his alt (correct me if I am wrong), I find your motives quite blatantly obvious.