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I am reasonably new to the game and have tried one terraform which was fun and profitable.

Obviously I am not as bright as others here as I didn't even know about the option to claim prestige so missed that chance completely as now I know I shouldn't, I wouldn't.

I have a different problem though. My son wants to join the game and I will not let him as, although we have separate computers, we both use the same IP address and I want to terraform some more for the cash. I am loving the game and don't want to break the rules and lose my account.

However I promised I would ask to see if there is a rule in place that allows this.
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I understand your misunderstanding, but you agreed to the rules when you signed up, meaning you read and understood them.

This has been a rule for a long, long time:

"Serial creation and abandonment of secondary accounts in order to exploit the "buddy referral" prestige bonus is an exploit and bannable offense."

I will see about tweaking the in-game description, but from now on check with the rules if you are not sure, or ask me. 


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I am one of those that used the buddy referral when terraforming... I started doing so as with the text written at the illy-site around the buddy referral link. There it says:
Quote The link may be used an unlimited number of times, but remember that each player is only allowed 2 Illyriad accounts.  
This made me think its ok to use the link unlimited times as long as one person only olds two accounts. I must say I added the idea of having 2 accounts simultaneously, not 2 accounts ever.
Please bear in mind some of us (like me) are non-native English, so reading up all kind of rules may be difficult, time-consuming and may lead to misunderstanding of what is actually written.
I understand your point of view (if that is appropriate to say), Rikoo. And I will stop using the buddy referral for terraforming.
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Originally posted by GM Rikoo GM Rikoo wrote:

Using a referral link is something you do on purpose; so there is no excuse like "oops, I didn't mean to."
Well, it might be: I just deleted my secondary (terraforming) account to create a new one without the buddy program, and it has been linked to my main account by the buddy program without me doing anything. I did it again to make sure and used the account creation link on the login page, and again it has been linked to my main account. The third time I tried with my browser cache and history cleared, and that time it created an account not linked to my main one. But even for the first two times I never used the referral link explicitly, not meant to use the buddy program.
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I would hate to see terraforming banned. It is a way for me to earn gold in order to grow my main. I just deleted a very involved post right here>>>

Instead, I will say that I agree completely with GM Rikoo and the Devs. Abusing the Buddy Programme is no different than any other exploit. There may be ways to end most of the problem but someone will eventually find a way around them. 

I will be ending my terraforming as soon as my current contract is filled. I enjoy playing Illy and don't want to be involved in a mechanic that has the potential for abuse. I may return to the business after the Devs have decided how they will deal with it.
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This rule has been in effect for actual years:

"Serial creation and abandonment of secondary accounts in order to exploit the "buddy referral" prestige bonus is an exploit and bannable offense."

Players agree to these rules when they sign up. When and if I catch someone doing it, I will likely just ban the accounts or -- depending on how much they do it -- give them a chance to stop.

We cannot force the players to read the rules, but we CAN force you to agree to these rules when you sign up. You cannot play the game without agreeing to this, so we have to take it on faith that you have read them.

Using a referral link is something you do on purpose; so there is no excuse like "oops, I didn't mean to."

Again, if we continue to see it happen we might just take away the ability to terraform. If you or anyone else knows of someone doing it, tell them to stop and let me know.

I appreciate it when someone comes forward, but this rule is nothing new.


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when i first started terraforming the buddy system used a much lower pop threshold(100 pop i believe), but then the threshold was bumped up to 450 which is the same pop requirement for a terraform.  i am pretty sure i mentioned this in an IGM or GC to one of the DEVs before the bump to 450 but i could be mistaken, that was awhile ago.  i think if the buddy system threshold is bumped up a little more to say 500 it would be much clearer that you shouldnt use the buddy system with terraforms and honestly the difference between 450 and 500 pop on an account that is going to stick around is negligable.
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Originally posted by GM Rikoo GM Rikoo wrote:

The rules have been clear; you agree to them when you sign up.
Actual terraformer here (well, amateur terraformer, since I only terraform around my own cities and don't offer my services to other players).
The rule about not having more than two account have always been very clear, but not the one about the buddy program vs. terraforming. I can totally understand why GMs don't want it, but I assumed that it was allowed the same way terraforming was allowed.
When I read what is said in game about the buddy program:
Quote Share the link below and you will receive 100 free prestige for each person who signs up for Illyriad using your unique referral link and reaches 450 population. The link may be used an unlimited number of times, but remember that each player is only allowed 2 Illyriad accounts.
Reading that quote, I understand that it is implicitly allowed to use the buddy program for the second account (with or without using that second account for terraforming). Although I might have missed the rule that forbid it.
I don't really care about using the buddy program when I terraform: it was more an easy bonus than the reason why I was terraforming. Obviously now that I'm aware of the rule I will stop using the buddy program with my second account, and I can even give back the prestige that I won that way to show good faith, but please make that rule more clear.
Originally posted by GM Rikoo GM Rikoo wrote:

It is getting to the point that we are considering either doing away with the ability to terra or the referral system, or both. While only a few people exploit it, they exploit it enough to be within the camp of unfair play.
An other solution could be forbidding the use of the buddy program for the second account. It shouldn't be much harder to detect than players having multiple account, and the rule is more precise that way.
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Originally posted by GM Rikoo GM Rikoo wrote:

/me is trying to look like he is not worried because he is not sure if it is affected systems or effected systems. 

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Affected is just fine.

Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:


Dang, so much for my resolution to be less judgmental.


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A player affects the game, which is then affected.  Unless the player is a terraformer, in which case the player may effect a change that affects the game which will leave the game, in effect, affected.

The developers may soon effect systems that affect certain players in ways they do not like.

However, I personally see using effect as a verb as something of an affectation that is not effective as a tool of communication.


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