Surrender terms for wars in Illyriad |
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 01:08 |
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Well you would be quite wrong. I'm pretty sure no such justification was ever used by any alliance. There's a case where Harmless would certainly like to, regarding someone who has been the most passive-aggressive and damaging force in the game. But we've never been in direct conflict with this socially destructive player whose slander and direct personal attacks far outweigh what any army could do. We've certainly complained about such reprehensible behavior and sometimes even within the same discussion. But our in-game punishments have always been measured against a combination of personal military involvement and active participation through political or strategic leadership. The loss of cities has always been reserved for key players who held the bulk of responsibility for conflicts which should not have happened, and when taken post-war, particularly in cases where those key players led from back lines and let others suffer the losses for them. That is what can no longer be said of other alliances. Edited by HonoredMule - 21 Feb 2014 at 01:08 |
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BellusRex
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Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 04:18 |
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Honored Mule, you may have forgotten, but H? demanded loss of cities from EE members for exactly the reasons I stated. Their posts were deemed "offensive" and "trollish". We do still have the actual correspondence which stated those demands in as arrogant an insulting way as possible.
I would like to see where any terms offered or accepted in this conflict made any similar demands, or delivered them in such a disparaging manner.
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 06:54 |
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Why don't you send me some names/specifics in-game? A lot of things were said mostly in a non-official capacity, but with specific account and alliance names I can probably find the records of final terms and the actual specific reasons we worked out internally. I can't really speak for whatever other reasons were piled on for good measure during likely heated discussions.
In this current war, you would be hard pressed to find any on our side trolling even remotely so hard as both sides did to a deeply regrettable degree in the last war. Even in the last war, you'll have a harder time finding people on our side lashing out with hurtful personal attacks or pure slander. If they did intentionally and repeatedly, I would consider it a perfectly reasonable grounds for substantial reprisal anyway. Edited by HonoredMule - 21 Feb 2014 at 07:00 |
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scaramouche
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Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 07:47 |
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Wrong HM.....I witnessed atrocious personal attacks in GC from KP and another alliance leader on your side against RMY that disgusted me...that two so called mature adults could resort to behaving the way they did to a female player in a " GAME " was and is totally beyond me. |
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KillerPoodle
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Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 16:08 |
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Regarding RMY - all I ever did was point out where she was lying, trolling and generally displaying rank hypocrisy. Show me any log where I did otherwise. |
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Starry
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Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 16:16 |
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I'm going to stop you right now, unless you were in Toothless and witnessed the abuse and controversy she created in that peaceful training alliance, you don't know the full story. I was Chancellor of T?, Luvs was also in T and I still have records of all the deception and yes, abusive behavior she created against the alliance, staff and members (new players).
RMY was a drama queen who liked to paint herself as the wounded party when, in fact, she created the problems herself. Any comments posted by T or H staff were fully justified. Find something else to dredge up, this one doesn't cut it.
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scaramouche
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Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 19:05 |
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I do not know the past history before I started playing illy of what has happened with you and RMY and drama queen or not, there is NO excuse for anyone to be treated like she was that particular night
KP you was obviously drunk that night and on one of your infamous GC rants...some of the things said made me wince and I aint no angel. My point is HM stated things have not been said on your side that was ever personal...and I can witness he is wrong! |
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KillerPoodle
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Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 19:22 |
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I think you are confusing me with someone else. I actually have the logs saved from that night and nothing I said was improper.
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Sir A
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Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 20:01 |
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Heres some quotes taken from a thread Angrim made about the nature of the Crowfed a few months back that shows some "not-so-subtle" threats made by KP to people that posted in that thread. This was a few weeks before the current war began, I wont comment on what was said because I don't want to put any of my spin on it. The thread is locked so I don't think you can edit your posts on there anymore but I know KP can be such a tricky poodle so I took screenshots in case
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P.S. Redfist had written 2 paragraphs that KP was amazingly able to shorten to blah blah blah for our reading convenience .
These are just a few highlights but you can check out the original thread if you want to read some of the interesting things that were discussed on the forums just before this war began. The thread is locked so its like a bit of history frozen in time. You can find it here: http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/the-nature-of-the-crows_topic5268_page1.html
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Nokigon
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Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 21:10 |
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I don't see anything wrong with those posts. The third one was a joke.
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