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Aurordan
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Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 21:51 |
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I gotta say, as someone who enjoys his politics and role playing, this sounds like the lamest idea ever. We have tournaments for soft-core, low stakes PvP. That's not really the purpose of wars. I would maybe get it if there weren't so many neutral/non-PvP alliances all over the place and people were being trapped in conflicts, but they mostly aren't.
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Brandmeister
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Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 20:54 |
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Perhaps the winners should require the losers to transfer their advanced resources, so they cannot rebuild troops. The winners would then supply the basic resources necessary to rebuild cities. Letting a defeated enemy keep a full military stockpile seems like a terrible idea.
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Rill
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Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 20:54 |
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I have said something similar in the past. This would never occur in reality, but it makes a lot of sense. One of the main problems is that it would disincentivize the party that is winning from wishing to end the war, since it might be cheaper for them to just have the war continue.
Personally I think it would be more fun if prior to a war there were agreed-upon parameters for what it means to "win" and what the consequences of "winning" or "losing" would be. Some people would probably find this to be annoyingly bureaucratic though.
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Sir A
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Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 20:05 |
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At the risk of sounding like a troll and probably angering a lot of my allies/enemies/neutral players in the process I am going to make a suggestion about surrender terms in Illyriad wars.
When an alliance surrenders they should be the ones that receive reparations. So the "winning" side of the war pays the "losing" side of the war gold/res after the war is over so they can rebuild. I realize how crazy and even unrealistic this suggestion sounds since the losing side of a war has always had to pay reparations since...forever. So I do not really expect anyone to agree with this but I thought it would be worth putting it up for discussion since Illyriad is so different from other games in this genre. Here are a few reasons why this *could* be a good tradition to start in Illyriad. 1. Generally speaking the side that surrenders has already endured more losses than the other side so having them pay reparations is kind of like beating a dead horse. 2. Would make players/alliances less scared of PvP since they would know that if they lose a war they would not be crippled by having to pay reparations after they have already lost towns/players. 3. Players would be less inclined to hold grudges for months/years. 4. The winning side of the war would not gain so much power so they would not easily be able to dominate the server for years (which is one of the causes of this big server war right now in my opinion) thus making the game more balanced. 5. This could work for Illyriad since it is so different from other games in its genre. Think about it; there is no end game in sight and we are already known as one of the "nicest" and most helpful communities since we give instead of take from new players and it seems to work out in everyone's best interest. So why not apply this to alliance warfare? Its kind of like the wining side saying "Good fight mate, here's some things so you can rebuild, see you at the rematch!" I was going to post why this *could* be a bad idea also but I'm sure some of you can come up with way more reasons than I can so I will leave that up to you guys to discuss. And I know there are many good reasons not to do this but personally I think more good would come of this than harm. Like I said I know this is pretty unrealistic even for Illyriad because there is no way that most alliance leaders on the winning side would ever agree to pay the losing side since it is not profitable or even logical for most players. Also some players on the losing side might even be offended by someone even making this suggestion because of pride etc., But to both sides I just have this to say; this is a game and even if you have spent hundreds of $ on it the whole point is to have fun. Please don't bring greed or pride into a game because that ruins the whole point of it being a game that you play for your entertainment. We have enough greed/pride in real life and I think most people use this as an outlet to escape some of that stuff. Some people play because they are bored and just like the GC community, some love strategy games and this should not really affect war strategy since all reparations would be made after a war is over. The only players that I think this would hurt is the ones that use an online game as a way to become "rich" or "powerful" because it makes them feel better about themselves and their shortcomings in their real life which is not really healthy at all if you ask me. It's normal for human beings to get attached to something after having it in their lives for months/years but I hope that attachment is to the relationships formed with other people and not the pixel cities or gold on your screen. If you are insulted by what I just said I'm sorry but that's what I think. Lastly, everything I have said is my own personal opinion and is by no means endorsed by my alliance. I have absolutely no say in surrender terms for any player or alliance but am merely making a suggestion since there seems to be a lot of greed and wounded pride in this and past wars.
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