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Originally posted by HonoredMule HonoredMule wrote:








Why don't you send me some names/specifics in-game?  A lot of things were said mostly in a non-official capacity, but with specific account and alliance names I can probably find the records of final terms and the actual specific reasons we worked out internally.  I can't really speak for whatever other reasons were piled on for good measure during likely heated discussions.

In this current war, you would be hard pressed to find any on our side trolling even remotely so hard as both sides did to a deeply regrettable degree in the last war.  Even in the last war, you'll have a harder time finding people on our side lashing out with hurtful personal attacks or pure slander.  If they did intentionally and repeatedly, I would consider it a perfectly reasonable grounds for substantial reprisal anyway.



Wrong HM.....I witnessed atrocious personal attacks in GC from KP and another alliance leader on your side against RMY that disgusted me...that two so called mature adults could resort to behaving the way they did to a female player in a " GAME " was and is totally beyond me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HonoredMule Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 06:54
Why don't you send me some names/specifics in-game?  A lot of things were said mostly in a non-official capacity, but with specific account and alliance names I can probably find the records of final terms and the actual specific reasons we worked out internally.  I can't really speak for whatever other reasons were piled on for good measure during likely heated discussions.

In this current war, you would be hard pressed to find any on our side trolling even remotely so hard as both sides did to a deeply regrettable degree in the last war.  Even in the last war, you'll have a harder time finding people on our side lashing out with hurtful personal attacks or pure slander.  If they did intentionally and repeatedly, I would consider it a perfectly reasonable grounds for substantial reprisal anyway.


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Honored Mule, you may have forgotten, but H? demanded loss of cities from EE members for exactly the reasons I stated. Their posts were deemed "offensive" and "trollish". We do still have the actual correspondence which stated those demands in as arrogant an insulting way as possible.

I would like to see where any terms offered or accepted in this conflict made any similar demands, or delivered them in such a disparaging manner.
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Originally posted by BellusRex BellusRex wrote:

I don't believe the same can be said of other alliances


Well you would be quite wrong.  I'm pretty sure no such justification was ever used by any alliance.  There's a case where Harmless would certainly like to, regarding someone who has been the most passive-aggressive and damaging force in the game.  But we've never been in direct conflict with this socially destructive player whose slander and direct personal attacks far outweigh what any army could do.

We've certainly complained about such reprehensible behavior and sometimes even within the same discussion.  But our in-game punishments have always been measured against a combination of personal military involvement and active participation through political or strategic leadership.  The loss of cities has always been reserved for key players who held the bulk of responsibility for conflicts which should not have happened, and when taken post-war, particularly in cases where those key players led from back lines and let others suffer the losses for them.

That is what can no longer be said of other alliances.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BellusRex Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 03:45
While we're discussing surrender terms, I'd like to point out we have never demanded cities from players because we didn't like their forum posts or something they said in GC was deemed trollish. If such was the case, we would have some very obvious demands as part of terms.

I don't believe the same can be said of other alliances
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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I thought it was deliberate, Qaal, like an affectionate nickname.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2014 at 22:51
I thought it was deliberate, Qaal, like an affectionate nickname.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Aurordan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2014 at 22:42
Well, because it clearly relates to what he said, and as you so astutely pointed out, with lots of headache-inducing font changes and emotes, you weren't discussing that particular issue?    
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Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

 
All I did is point out that KillerPuddle's estimation...

Unintentional I know, but, my god that's funny. KillerPuddle is totally my next username.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Deranzin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 2014 at 20:42
Originally posted by Aurordan Aurordan wrote:

That second paragraph was a response to statements by your Director in this very thread.  Not everything is about you.  


Then quote that part or at least refer to that poster ... if you quote only me, then how is someone reading your post supposed to understand what you have in your mind and who you are talking to .?. Tongue
 
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