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GM Luna
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Topic: Sugestion: Posted: 06 May 2013 at 03:43 |
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This is an extremely childish back and forth calling each other trolls. Really unwelcome behavior here.
Closing thread.
Luna
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DeathDealer89
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Posted: 05 May 2013 at 23:57 |
Actually everyone who had something bad to say about your idea discussed it point by point. Then discussed counter points.
And yes there is negativity, because lets face it when someone spews a bad idea you respond with 'don't do that' not 'good job' Stuffing your fingers in your ears and not addressing problems with your idea will not get it implemented faster even if you could eventually create a 'good idea' that addressed the problem. Or convince people that your idea was in fact good to start.
If you can't have a rational discussion then perhaps you don't belong on the forums. In otherwords, GM luna please ask this troll to get off this forum!!!
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Sliveen
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Posted: 05 May 2013 at 23:39 |
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Your negativity is unwholesome . I wish I could ban you from this thread. Since I cant, I will choose to ignore from this point onwards. Continue to talk to yourself and drool as you continue to give a onesided conversation that attacks without any meaning ful presentation as to why you are so negative about the actual intent of this thread. In otherwords, GM luna please ask this troll to get off this thread!!!
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DeathDealer89
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Posted: 05 May 2013 at 21:35 |
It would be better than your assertion that everyone is cheating except you don't actually know of any.
If sitting an account while waiting for the user is abuse then yes it is. On a similar note I'm sure you think people abuse cav when they use them to kill off bows defending on plains. Even though you know thats in part exactly what they are designed to do.
Ah cool so instead when I come back my cities are just able to magically teleport to wherever I want. Sure thats an interesting way of doing things. And yes its always good to single out smaller players by not letting them use a part of the game they currently can.
Your 'solutions' are getting worse and worse. I say to solve the solution of people complaining about cheaters we just ban those people from the forum. Then no1 will complain. Thats a horrible idea but luckily right on par with yours.
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Brandmeister
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Posted: 05 May 2013 at 21:31 |
DeathDealer89 wrote:
If someone is breaking 1 rule, they won't worry about breaking 2 rules. Its common sense. |
qft The account sitting policy probably cuts down on 90% of password sharing and full account transfers. That's a huge security headache for online games. If the remaining 10% are truly determined to break the rules, then they will immediately find a way to circumvent any new rules put in place. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that there are at least 50 perma-sitter accounts with 9 or 10 cities. By perma-sitter I mean that the original player has largely abandoned and has no intention of ever returning to Illy. Let's use 100 to keep the math simple. Using the 10 square radius, those accounts could at most maintain a zone of 300 squares around each city, for 3000 per account and 300,000 total. There are 4M squares in Illy, so you're still talking about less than 10% of all squares. Additionally, players don't claim everything within their 10 squares. So if you settle 10 squares away, you can claim tiles 6-10 squares from their cities and still obey the rule. That would mean an effective 5 square radius around a city site of claimed squares, or 75,000 squares total (1.875% total squares). That puts 98.125% of squares in play for active players. And that's assuming 100 perma-sitter accounts with 10 cities, which I think is a very generous assumption.
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Epidemic
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Posted: 05 May 2013 at 20:32 |
 ...DeathDealer, please bother the devs with a petition that I might be cheating. You and I both know that account sitting can be abused and is common to internet games. I would think that suspended accounts would either be taken off the map, losing all claims and/or have to follow strict guidelines that prevent abuse; i.e. no player with less than 6 towns can suspend.
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abstractdream
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Posted: 05 May 2013 at 19:45 |
Sliveen wrote:
ok great, you dont think its a problem. Shut up, move on, dont comment here. but there are tons of peopel who are fed up with a handful of players running illy politics with the massive resources of handfuls of accounts. The equalizer of only two accounts is mishandled and frankly in poor form. No respect for the rules means no respect for the Illy community. This is a simple case of ethics. Either you have it or you don't. | Interesting how you dismiss counter arguments with "Shut up, move on, dont comment here." This is a public forum, for players of Illy, which you either are not or don't care enough to be recognized. EDIT: MY MISTAKE, YOU ARE A PLAYER. I MISSPELLED. MY APOLOGIES. The metaphorical tons of people who are fed up with Illy politics are just not trying. I doubt that is the case anyway as anyone who does not care to participate in political manuvering can sit it out, in a peaceful alliance or on their own and be none the worse for wear. The folks who wield the power in Illy have worked to get where they are. The accusations of cheating are coming, in my opinion because it's easy to do. Smearing reputations takes little effort compared to the time and skill, and downright luck in many instances it takes to build power, political or otherwise. I know of a few instances of sitters maintaining accounts but they are not the majority, not by a long shot. Generally, when the owner leaves and never returns the sitter is reluctant to let it go. There may be sentimental reasons but they also have a vested interest in these accounts. Sooner or later, in most cases they will give them up. If the sitter is active and a member of a vital alliance I don't see how they can keep sitting inactive accounts anyway. They usually are needed for more pressing matters. Involved, active players who sit accounts are more likely to drop them sooner rather than later because some smaller member needs help, not to mention the fact that a growing alliance needs to cash in on those cities. Their locations and size (assuming these are large accounts we are talking about) are way more valuable for siege/capture. In an robust alliance, inactive accounts are just tools and shortly are cast out as their usefulness is fleeting. The Illy Dev team is clearly intelligent or this game would suck. They know this is a red herring.
Edited by abstractdream - 06 May 2013 at 00:22
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DeathDealer89
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Posted: 05 May 2013 at 19:40 |
Epidemic wrote:
Proof? Everyone keeps asking for proof of foul play. This is a game, some players are always going to try to cheat. It's common sense.
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If you have no proof of foul play nor knowledge of any actual foul play then you admit you are just making stuff up. Making a rule that these 'cheaters' have to follow won't make them follow it. If someone is breaking 1 rule, they won't worry about breaking 2 rules. Its common sense.
Epidemic wrote:
Are players in this game abusing the account sitters feature? Most definitely! Are players using hidden IPs or other tricks to get around the 2 account max rule? Most definitely! All it takes is one cheating player to ruin a fun game. I've seen it happen too many times.
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Please show some! You can't, yet you 'know' people are doing this. So logically the only way this works is that you yourself are doing it and don't want to turn yourself in. So with equal proof as you have presented I guess I should submit a petition that you are cheating?
Epidemic wrote:
Give players the option to suspend their accounts for up to a year and limit account sitting to a max of 30 days every 6 months.
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Rehashing the same idea over and over doesn't make it any better.
Epidemic wrote:
I can't imagine how anyone would be unable to find a computer within a year to keep their accounts alive. Our military has internet on frontline military bases, even our prisons have internet. |
Yes this is exactly what I want our military to be focused on overseas is to be sure their Illy account is still active. Or if I go for a business Illy is what I want to worry about. In fact I would say until you come up with a solution that didn't result in that 1 marine losing his account then we deal with these 'cheaters' which may or may not exist.
But why not go further, you timeline is purely arbitrary. So I say we just delete accounts that have been offline for more than 1 hr. Does this seem crazy to you? Yes it does, good because lets say your idea is implemented, whats to stop me from saying 1 month isn't to long? It should be a week, and then a day and then an hr? Devs chose 90 days leave it alone.
As for the freeze account idea. That has worse exploits than the sitting account. You can siege a sat account off the map. If I wanted to I could make an account teleport it 10 sq's away from ur city, settle a few cities on the good spots around your city then freeze the account. And you wouldn't be able to do squat about it. Oh and did I mention that I could then repeat that as many times as I want? So between someone sitting an account that I can raze, and someone creating an account that blocks city spots all over the map I choose the one that razing can fix.
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Epidemic
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Posted: 05 May 2013 at 17:55 |
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Proof? Everyone keeps asking for proof of foul play. This is a game, some players are always going to try to cheat. It's common sense.
Are players in this game abusing the account sitters feature? Most definitely!
Are players using hidden IPs or other tricks to get around the 2 account max rule? Most definitely!
All it takes is one cheating player to ruin a fun game. I've seen it happen too many times.
Give players the option to suspend their accounts for up to a year and limit account sitting to a max of 30 days every 6 months.
I can't imagine how anyone would be unable to find a computer within a year to keep their accounts alive. Our military has internet on frontline military bases, even our prisons have internet.
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Machete
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Posted: 05 May 2013 at 16:26 |
I guess I am going to be just as bad as the peeps saying there is a problem and repeat myself.
Examples please. Numbers please.
It's easy to say there is this big problem. If you can prove it, you may persuade others to take up your cause.
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