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Points: 944 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2013 at 03:47
Originally posted by Sliveen Sliveen wrote:

but there are tons of peopel who are fed up with a handful of players running illy politics with the massive resources of handfuls of accounts. The equalizer of only two accounts is mishandled and frankly in poor form. No respect for the rules means no respect for the Illy community. This is a simple case of ethics. Either you have it or you don't.

Tons of people hmm?  As near as I can tell any reference to, whats most problematic and how many people have problems with it is completely made up by you.  So please point out these 'tons of people'

Tell me about this handful of players running the illy politics?  I want to meet them.  

 
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Points: 944 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2013 at 03:41
Originally posted by Sliveen Sliveen wrote:

Heres the rules I found in the forums. Every person who is sitting on accounts long term is breaking these rules.

Good job finding the rules please follow them yourself.  
 
Originally posted by Sliveen Sliveen wrote:

If your alliance is sitting on an account, they are breaking the rules. 
Alliances can't sit accounts so not against the rules, it simply can't be done.  So thank you for showing your knowledge of the 'sitting' mechanic.  Please go read up on those

Originally posted by Sliveen Sliveen wrote:

Those big players that are tired and want a break? They shuld quit and start over when and if they come back. Or they should trudge along. Or abandon their accounts. Giving those accounts to other players is not acceptable. Why have rules the rest of s follow so that a few can use those resources to build huge armies, or sit on all the resouce plots on the map? 

If I want to take a break for a month why shouldn't I let someone sit the account?  Perhaps you haven't noticed but thats part of the reason for the sitting mechanic.   

Originally posted by Sliveen Sliveen wrote:

Frankly, they should be turned in. Everyone should be turning in those people who are breaking the rules!!!

Please do, do you know of any of these players who are breaking the rules?  You don't then stop pretending its a big problem, your barking at something that isn't there.

 If you do then go turn them in and stop harping about it in the forums because there is already a procedure in place to turn in rule breakers.  

The devs updated the game fairly recently so that 90 days inactive and the account gets deleted.  
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Points: 2224 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2013 at 03:28
I might also add that the recent war and tourney have severely depleted the reserves of most of the big alliances... having 70 million troops lost in the last tourney and God knows how many10s of millions lost in the war cost a boatload to replace. So, actually, right now, Illy is probably on its most even playing field alliance resource wise than it ever has been...

Goodness knows us simple Harmless farmers are bankrupt and begging... ;)
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Points: 2224 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2013 at 03:11
Originally posted by Sliveen Sliveen wrote:

ok great, you dont think its a problem. Shut up, move on, dont comment here. but there are tons of peopel who are fed up with a handful of players running illy politics with the massive resources of handfuls of accounts. .


Do you think that there are a handful of players running Illy politics with massive resources because they sit many accts?

In my experience, in war, that becomes a liability, as you can't use prestige on sat accts and therefore, you are at a major disadvantage versus an enemy who has their alliance filled up with acts from live players who can either use their own prestige or alliance prestige... Unless someone is willing to spend vast amounts of time constantly updating accts. In which case, it almost limits itself, doesn't it? (simply from the amount of RL time needed to keep that many accts going).

Imo, the best thing would be much more rapid removal of abandoned accts and players with no activity for a certain period of time (including sitters). That would clear the map much faster...

Just my two cents...


Edited by Kumomoto - 05 May 2013 at 03:15
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Points: 267 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2013 at 03:10
I don't have sitters for my accounts, nor do I sit anyone else's.

My impression is that account sitting is meant to accommodate a player who has to be temporarily absent from the game for an extended period, not to accommodate a player who decides to leave the game indefiinitely.

If that is in fact the case, then account sitting does need a time limit to prevent abuse. As to what time limit is appropriate, that would be up to the devs to decide. Personally I think 30 days in any given 12-month period should be more than enough. When that time limit expires the account should be deleted.

I don't know if an account sitter can in turn select another sitter for the same account; if that is possible it should be eliminated. The owning player should only be allowed to select one sitter, and only the owning player should be allowed to change the sitter.


Edited by Llyr - 05 May 2013 at 03:12

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As has been stated before, the concerns about account sitting are duly noted. There is no need to get antagonistic about it.

Please continue the discussion respectfully or it will be closed.

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Heres the rules I found in the forums. Every person who is sitting on accounts long term is breaking these rules.

If you have bought, or been gifted an account you are breaking the rules. 

If your alliance is sitting on an account, they are breaking the rules. 

Those big players that are tired and want a break? They shuld quit and start over when and if they come back. Or they should trudge along. Or abandon their accounts. Giving those accounts to other players is not acceptable. Why have rules the rest of s follow so that a few can use those resources to build huge armies, or sit on all the resouce plots on the map? 

Frankly, they should be turned in. Everyone should be turning in those people who are breaking the rules!!!

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Points: 40 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2013 at 02:18
ok great, you dont think its a problem. Shut up, move on, dont comment here. but there are tons of peopel who are fed up with a handful of players running illy politics with the massive resources of handfuls of accounts. The equalizer of only two accounts is mishandled and frankly in poor form. No respect for the rules means no respect for the Illy community. This is a simple case of ethics. Either you have it or you don't.
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Points: 768 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2013 at 02:10
I agree that dead accounts that are sat by other players need to be deleted asap. I've seen this tactic used on just about every game i've played. Everybody knows it is used to get around the one or two account rule.

If a player can't get online for awhile, for personal reasons, they should be able to notify the devs to keep their account active or should have the option to suspend their account.
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Points: 1857 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2013 at 02:07
The complaints about the Consone War come from a vocal minority (mostly the loosing side and even then not all of them), which seems a likely source for the sitter complaints.

I have stated this elsewhere but I'll reiterate: this issue is not a problem. It does not affect game play to the extent that it needs addressing by the Dev team. I personally dislike the "strategy" of maintaining large accounts through sitter's rights but I have way more important things to attend to....like dinner.

EDIT: newb started alliances is an annoyance, not a problem. There is a difference.

Edited by abstractdream - 05 May 2013 at 02:09
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