StA lays claim to Farra Isla

Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote: Brids17 wrote: Silverlake wrote: I'm starting to get a complex that your alliance does like mine   Why is it the moment someone says anything about H? you automatically call them out as not liking them? I think you're seeing what you want to see. It was meant in jest. I assumed that was rather obvious with all the past 'hug it out etc'. But for heavens sake Harmless are on the receiving end of more mud, accusation, jealousy, envy, subversion, metagaming and god knows what else than the rest of Illy combined so you'll excuse us for being a little quick on the draw.

Thank you Angrim.

No hostility implied, Silverlake.  Perhaps "warning" was poorly chosen, but I suspect StA also sees their announcement as a way to forestall conflict.  In the original post, StA also invited communication regarding others who wanted to move to Farra.  But behind both offers is the assertion of a right to deny any change to the status quo.  It seems disingenuous to me to pretend that the threat of forcible removal is not backing up that request.  It is the proverbial offer you can't refuse.  In both cases I would rather understand the attitude of my potential neighbors before I move/settle, so in that way I'm happy to see these announcements posted whether I heed them or not.

Posturing is part of any diplomatic relationship.  StA has stated its intentions as a deterrent.  They are entitled, imo, to do so.  Whether the deterrent works or not is now in the hands of the other players.  In that way I do see it as analogous to the H? 10 sq radius warning, and that is where the similarity ends.  Anyone is capable of testing the resolve of either alliance, and should own any consequences that result.

Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote: Duuvian wrote: Existing players inhabiting Farra who desire to settle a new city there,  I ask that you confer with the nearest StA member to the new city's location to see if they had any plans for the square and barring them having plans for a city there we should be able to accommodate you. No. I do not need, nor will, ask permission from any Sta member as that implies Sta ownership. You cannot give what is not yours in the first place.

I think the term "ownership" is misunderstood here Llyorn - "home" or "place of belonging" would fit just as well, and I am surprised that you- or H? for that matter would object to people asking for a little personal space in terms of alliance location.
But ok Llyorn we differ in opinion on this matter, not a big problem. I believe the quality of Illy is increased when players have an area to call "homebase" or what have you, as it gives them purpose direction and unity they could not attain otherwise imo. So I am puzzled why you would be against it?

Lastly though I have to say that while asking permission and being diplomatic can be percieved as similar they do not have to be. If you ask that people are reasonable when colonising close to H? you would assume H? members would extend the same courtesy to others no?

There is nothing confrontational intended with this post, but sooner or later Illy have to make some kind of policy about alliances and claims to local sovereignty so that we all know where we stand.
Personally I see the scattered alliances as having a flaw in leadership as it is a painful but ultimately very beneficial excercise to ask your members to move their cities into the same area, as it increases the experience/sense of being "allied" with someone and adds value to the game itself that there in the great chaotic mix of cities is some tendency towards a structure and meaningfullness.

Otherwise alliances will only orbit around the purpose of growing bigger, and thats a very 2-dimensional gameworld.

No offense intended to anyone, just felt it had to be said eventually.

And please stop giving StA grief over their hard work and team effort to carve out a place for themselves in Illy - most alliances have no idea of how taxing it can be on an alliance and it's members.

Peace