StA lays claim to Farra Isla

Dear StA,

SugarFree wrote: Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote: Duuvian wrote: Existing players inhabiting Farra who desire to settle a new city there,  I ask that you confer with the nearest StA member to the new city's location to see if they had any plans for the square and barring them having plans for a city there we should be able to accommodate you. No. I do not need, nor will, ask permission from any Sta member as that implies Sta ownership. You cannot give what is not yours in the first place. full of yourself as always hu?  you are a disgrace to H?.

*Sigh* What pathetic reincarnation of a previous troll are you SF?

The arrogance actually lies with Sta claiming ownership. Not mine for requesting basic entitlement to settle in a region without first being granted permission.

*accurate description of a failure to logic removed as deemed insulting by moderators*


Edited by Llyorn Of Jaensch - 10 Feb 2012 at 16:31

SugarFree wrote:   Nokigon wrote:   Name three.   Curse, BSH, DLords, the Colony, Free ... this is just from what i see on world map.. i could go on..

It's mostly to protect the identity of the other player and alliance since it was resolved during a few days when I hadn't logged on, with Chaos planning to exodus away. If you'd like to know more send me a message or send a message to Chaos so I don't have to name that person and alliance that do not deserve public naming for what's now a settled mistake despite evicting someone from claimed territory. I also offered to buy the square or area, or even to have a tournament over it. All that said, it's not really a sore point for me and I'm not terribly upset, though Chaos would still like the square and as I said before I would like to go back to the immigration standards for lack of better words outlined in the OP if Chaos can keep his spot, thus removing the hypothetical double standard just as allowing the reinforced claim of Farra would have removed the other short side of the stick so to speak. The main issue was the very second I announced a new policy in territory we have a presence in already and desire to hold, which would allow us to enforce something similar to what Chaos is being put through, hints of possible future violence began to occur.

EDIT: Due to advice from a wise person to stay off the forums until a few more interested parties contact me, I'll probably refrain from responding any more. I hope though that people now see the point of reinforcing the claim on Farra.


Edited by Duuvian - 10 Feb 2012 at 07:08

If it's not ok for my member, Chaos Armor, to keep his established town that is being forced to exodus by a large alliance, I fail to see how it's wrong for StA to do the exact same thing in an area they have as good a reason to like to control as the people evicting Chaos Armor do his square. The only reasonable explanation if Chaos is forced to move AND StA can't do similar is that being mighty justifies what you do in Illyria. This would be a sad state of affairs. This is what posting about claiming Farra was trying to bring to your attention.

Chaos was invited to move to a spot on the mainland near another player. It seems that someone was occupying armies for a future claim a number of squares away from the location Chaos moved to. Chaos is being forced to exodus his existing city. Feel free to message him if you are interested.

Now, does might equal right in Illyriad? If not, then is it fair for StA to receive the short end of the stick as far as both not being allowed to claim even the most harpy infested of remote islands while being forced to exodus existing cities due to other alliance's previous claims when we violate such? I could accept one or the other, but not both together. If Chaos Armor has to move when accidentally settling on dubiously claimed territory, I fail to see how anything but a lack of military power would be an honest interpretation of why Chaos's alliance can't make similar claims of their own. If that's the only justification then, that means might equals right in this issue, which so many alliances have gone to war in the past to oppose.

One thing I'd be happy to consider is going back to immigration standards (which haven't had to be enforced yet as far as I can remember by the way) from Noryasha's original post making this thread if Chaos isn't forced to move.

Bonus history of StA for those strangely interested: Wars with S&B where cities were razed by StA were in our first few months in Illyriad, and I'm the only one who remains out of that group of players. S&B and StA were roughly the same size in population. Noryasha Grunk in the East and an S&B nearby started fighting and pulled everyone else in. After StA won that war (not sure if we had siege capability yet), S&B launched an attack with siege against Eastern players after a few months of rebuilding. I was in the Southwest sector, and sent reinforcements due to focusing on economy rather than barracks. These armies were sent to defend cities until the East had built up a large enough army to go on the offensive while retaining a foreign garrison. After S&B's army was reduced by the East the West supported the East's sieges on capitals of the highest population players and also supplied some feints prior to the launch of sieges. If you're looking for perpetrators of atrocious smaller player smiting that possibly followed after that victory, all those (mostly Noryasha) that potentially qualify have left the game long ago while we were waiting for the new UI. You'd have to ask Jefke about that, since I was in the West while he was in the East. In addition remember this was the second time of three times we fought, with StA unquestionably being attacked the second time, though that's probably not enough justification anymore for what Noryasha did.  Also I think it was due to Noryyasha roleplaying an orc and the fact that the game was comparatively brand new and thus no one knew better.

EDIT: Also when the map was expanded and the free city move announced StA sieged a few inactive players with prestige boosted cities and moved them to the island with the free teleport. As far as I can remember, during the second war with S&B and against inactives are the only times StA did any sieging.


Edited by Duuvian - 10 Feb 2012 at 06:30