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Llyorn Of Jaensch
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Joined: 31 Mar 2010
Location: Sydney
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Points: 924
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Posted: 06 Feb 2012 at 01:06 |
Brids17 wrote:
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Brids all due respect but the devils advocate act grows a little thin at times. Lets TRY and look at apples and apples eh?
Harmless are NOT claiming ANY SPECIFIC mapped named area as our exclusive domain. We (if we MUST compare) simply ask for a small distance for practical reasons surrounding each city.
Perspective eh.
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I'm not saying they were both perfect examples but they do have a lot of similarities. H? isn't telling people they can't move to X province but they are saying they don't want you within 10 squares of any of the roughly 700 cities they have unless they give you permission. I just find it a little hypocritical for you to back up your own claim but then say a smaller (and still very similar) one is invalid.
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You find it hypocritical? Then you simply don't have a grasp of the issue. 'Similar claim' Honestly mate. Claiming a whole region for your alliance or requesting dialogue before moving within an irrational distance to a city is as about as similar as you and I. And I think you know that. Good chat though.
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jordigui
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Joined: 20 Jun 2010
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Points: 157
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Posted: 06 Feb 2012 at 00:21 |
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Brids, you are the hypocrit here. If you are able to look at how many cities H has, maybe you could also watch how many of these 700 cities have other cities inside this 10 square radius. In my case, I have many. And there have been no problems ever with my neighbours. What H says is that if someone wants to settle inside this 10 square radius, please inform the owner of the city. I think this is more than fair.
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Quackers
Forum Warrior
Joined: 19 Nov 2011
Location: Jeff City
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Points: 435
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Posted: 06 Feb 2012 at 00:19 |
Brids17 wrote:
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Brids all due respect but the devils advocate act grows a little thin at times. Lets TRY and look at apples and apples eh?
Harmless are NOT claiming ANY SPECIFIC mapped named area as our exclusive domain. We (if we MUST compare) simply ask for a small distance for practical reasons surrounding each city.
Perspective eh.
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I'm not saying they were both perfect examples but they do have a lot of similarities. H? isn't telling people they can't move to X province but they are saying they don't want you within 10 squares of any of the roughly 700 cities they have unless they give you permission. I just find it a little hypocritical for you to back up your own claim but then say a smaller (and still very similar) one is invalid.
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I can tell you this, if someone moves within 10 squares of me I would siege them as well. The 10 square rule is being polite but really it gives both towns the distance they need to grow using the sov around them. When a town goes within 10 squares of another city, it most likely means that the city will be trying to gain sov that belongs to the other town. And instead of having to fight for that sov later on, its best just to siege them and not have to worry. So please do not try to say that the 10 sov rule is like what StA is doing. What StA is doing, is saying that most likely they will be sieging all towns that are within their region if it hampers them from claiming the spot as theirs later on, or if they start to run out of good room and need to expand. Edit: I'd also like to note that once pathfinding comes in to play, and we are not allowed to cross oceans with armies, it will be wise to move out of that area. Once that area is locked off and only accessible by boat, then you will have little chance of defending yourself.
Edited by Quackers - 06 Feb 2012 at 00:23
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903
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Posted: 06 Feb 2012 at 00:18 |
Speaking as an alliance leader, I have worked on several player settlements within 10 squares to H? cities. I try to keep my requests reasonable and so far I think all requests have been approved. So I can speak from experience when I say that H? has not laid absolute claim to areas within 10 squares of their cities and does generally agree to others settling there when there will not likely be conflicts of sovereignty.
That is in my mind different than claiming an area and demanding that others not settle in it. Rather, it points to the fact that not even Harmless? is making such a claim.
Edited by Rill - 06 Feb 2012 at 00:25
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
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Points: 1483
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Posted: 06 Feb 2012 at 00:03 |
Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:
Brids all due respect but the devils advocate act grows a little thin at times. Lets TRY and look at apples and apples eh?
Harmless are NOT claiming ANY SPECIFIC mapped named area as our exclusive domain. We (if we MUST compare) simply ask for a small distance for practical reasons surrounding each city.
Perspective eh.
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I'm not saying they were both perfect examples but they do have a lot of similarities. H? isn't telling people they can't move to X province but they are saying they don't want you within 10 squares of any of the roughly 700 cities they have unless they give you permission. I just find it a little hypocritical for you to back up your own claim but then say a smaller (and still very similar) one is invalid.
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Carl Zeis
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Joined: 05 Feb 2011
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Points: 98
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 21:56 |
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I find this declaration angering to say the least! If you want to hold an area you hold it by force but this stupid claiming game that people are pulling should not and will not fly. StA better watch out after acting like they are entitled to the control of this island because when alliances try to 'claim' and area I personally just want to move everything thing in there and see them remove me.
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Rill
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Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 19:10 |
Jane, Ryelle has a city in Keppen. Do you mind if she stays there?
Thanks!
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Tordenkaffen
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Joined: 16 Oct 2010
Location: Denmark
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Points: 821
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 16:07 |
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I think it's fair considering how well represented StA are on Farrah Isle, but it would ofcourse be preferable if some of their local neighbours supported their claim as well.
- it may not be the most popular standpoint to take at the moment, but from the blueprints of Illyriad, regional based alliances stands as the rational direction of the game. Both pathfinding and factions have strong arguments for regional alliances. Players will simply have to work with this and be openminded.
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Jane DarkMagic
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Joined: 10 Sep 2011
Location: Tennessee
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Points: 554
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 15:07 |
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I said very little about H? in my initial post, was just using it as a point of comparison... I don't understand your need to turn everything into a conversation about H?. My post was about making land claim and the need to be able to back them up. I'm done arguing with trolls. The world does not, in fact, revolve around you.
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bow locks
Forum Warrior
Joined: 09 Mar 2010
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Points: 211
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Posted: 05 Feb 2012 at 14:59 |
I think Jane and Anjire should both move to farra's isle where they can live within eleven squares of each other in peace and harmony.
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