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Silent/Steadfast 
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Joined: 03 Jun 2011
Location: Pacific County
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Points: 553
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 Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 03:46 |
My take on this is that every player has the right to the 20 squares surrounding their city (all squares 1,2, square root of 2, and square root of, uh, 5) since those are the ones most likely to be claimed. Aside from that, any squares "claimed" must be able to be backed militaristically in case they are contested.
H?'s rule of 10 squares states that 10 is a guideline, and that closer than 10 squares is permitted if requested. This is perfectly reasonable, as H? has both the military backing and leniency to make this work. No one, as far as I know, has been forcibly removed by H? after following the guidelines put forward.
StA has laid claim to farra isle, which is a different kettle of carp entirely. "No cities will be permitted to be settled" essentially means that StA feels that they have ownership of farra, and can defend their claim if necessary. If StA allows other people to settle on their land a reasonable distance away, then there should be no issue.
However, what bugs me is that in StA *hasn't* actually claimed all of farra isle. Sure, they have many cities there, but even by saying that each of their cities has 20 theoretical sov squares around it means that there are substantial gaps in their claim.
If I were StA, I wouldn't have made this issue public. The placement of cities in a grid across farra isle would have guaranteed that their claim would have been little contested, as the land there isn't particularly desired, and the denizens of the forums wouldn't have picked their claim to pieces. That being said, StA will have to decide wether to support their claim and potentially war with others, or to back down, lay low, and spread like hell across farra isle before lawn can make is 11 settlers.
Edited by Silent/Steadfast - 10 Feb 2012 at 05:45
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"Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM)
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Jane DarkMagic
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Joined: 10 Sep 2011
Location: Tennessee
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Points: 554
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Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 01:32 |
To clarify what I was saying earlier: Land claims made in forums are only as effective as your ability to enforce them. I cam claim Keppen as entirely belonging to Jane Darkmagic, but the minute an alliance or one of the 1000 people militarily stronger than me decide to move to Keppen, the claim means nothing unless I can successfully back up my mouth and threats. I can say if you move to Keppen, I will see this as ample reason to attack you because I have put a flag there.. ("Have you got a flag? No flag, no country!) If in the process of me attacking you, your allies chase me down and raze all my cities to the ground it will be completely justified as well and my land claim will have been proven a very bad idea. However, if I have 100 people of similiar size in a radius and make the suggestion that settling near us is a bad idea, more people might listen, and the self-imposed claim might hold for a much more significant amount of time, but it still might escalate into World World 8 depending on the diplomacy and people involved. Not going to make the mistake of trying to use in-game examples this time, so hope you can see what I'm saying!
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Darkwords
Postmaster General
Joined: 23 May 2011
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Points: 1005
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Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 23:04 |
 SugarFree wrote:
Nokigon wrote:
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Curse, BSH, DLords, the Colony, Free ... this is just from what i see on world map..i could go on..
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They are alliances, not land claims. It is only natural that alliances will congregate together for defensive strength, but you will also note that amongst them there are members of other alliances and also non-alligned players. Although considering proposed upgrades for this game, this tactic may well prove detrimental and leave an alliances reliant on others for certain resources.
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SugarFree
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Joined: 09 Feb 2012
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Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 21:47 |
Nokigon wrote:
Name three. |
Curse, BSH, DLords, the Colony, Free ... this is just from what i see on world map.. i could go on..
Edited by SugarFree - 09 Feb 2012 at 21:49
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Nokigon
Postmaster General
Player Council - Historian
Joined: 07 Nov 2010
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Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 17:42 |
SugarFree wrote:
Darkwords wrote:
basically the last time an alliance declared a region theirs, that alliance died. I expect if StA serious stood by their claim and actively prevented others settling on this island, or tried to force others that are there out; then history would repeat itself.
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what a load of bull. there are alliance claimed regions that are about the size of ferra island and no one complains. |
Name three.
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Darkwords
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Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 16:14 |
SugarFree wrote:
Darkwords wrote:
basically the last time an alliance declared a region theirs, that alliance died. I expect if StA serious stood by their claim and actively prevented others settling on this island, or tried to force others that are there out; then history would repeat itself.
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what a load of bull. there are alliance claimed regions that are about the size of ferra island and no one complains. |
SF you are obviously some sad little troll who does not have a clue what he/she is on about... so why do you keep commenting. there are no pure alliance claims on any land in elgea, learn a little about the game and its history if you want any experienced players to bother listening to you, or paying attention to your pointless posts.
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SugarFree
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Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 15:49 |
Darkwords wrote:
basically the last time an alliance declared a region theirs, that alliance died. I expect if StA serious stood by their claim and actively prevented others settling on this island, or tried to force others that are there out; then history would repeat itself.
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what a load of bull. there are alliance claimed regions that are about the size of ferra island and no one complains.
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Nokigon
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Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 15:46 |
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Not a small one belonging to a 3k member, either.
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 15:39 |
Darkwords wrote:
basically the last time an alliance declared a region theirs, that alliance died. I expect if StA serious stood by their claim and actively prevented others settling on this island, or tried to force others that are there out; then history would repeat itself.
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Quite possibly. I know that there is at least one H? city there...
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Darkwords
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Posted: 09 Feb 2012 at 15:38 |
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basically the last time an alliance declared a region theirs, that alliance died. I expect if StA serious stood by their claim and actively prevented others settling on this island, or tried to force others that are there out; then history would repeat itself.
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