Spearmen take far too long

Wheather or not Illyriad is balanced is beyond me.

Tho for the sake of making a point; when I started out playing I chose Elf and Orc without knowing what that precisely entailed (my own fault and I dont complain).

I would just have to say that I feel somewhat let down or dissappointed that the most warloving race in the game isn't more destructive.
I would sooner argue that orcs should have more/bigger impediments in their way when working towards sieging cities or other structured assaults, than having mediocre units (other than the spearman who functions poorly in assaults/aggression).


Also I was surprised to see the elves have such a powerful unit as their archers (tho I expected they would have an advantage with bows).
I do feel however that if combat magic is added at some point, and elves gain on that in combat, you might want to consider lowering the attack value of the archers a little bit.

Anyway, just my 2 cents


Edited by Tordenkaffen - 17 Mar 2011 at 23:21

That awesome defense against cavalry IS the big advantage for larger Orc players.  All advantages are situationally specific, and this particular one is specific to players with lots of preparation time defending cavalry-friendly squares (possibly including towns on plains).

Also, you're neglecting the equipment cost.  Trueshot take 1 leather and 2 bows, 2 Kobolds take only 2 spears.  I'm ignoring the beer as extraneous, but the truth is, so are the bows/spears as well as being in balance.  The killer difference is 0 reliance on livestock-derived equipment.  A city producing Kobold Cohorts 24/7 will produce an equipment surplus sufficient to keep another city producing even the most expensive units 24/7.

If you threw in shorter production times, such a city would be ridiculously over-capable.  It should be enough that a well-planned city doesn't need any kind of equipment sovereignty boosts and could instead focus sovereignty entirely on enhancing spearman production.  I've mentioned before that cities can get up to 3x the unit production rate on a specialized unit, but Kobold Cohorts are the only ones that could be produced at that rate without equipment supply issues.  At worst, you could donate spears and beer from another city which is no doubt capable of significant overproduction of that equipment which isn't even used for otherwise-focused cities.  I have 50k+ beer, spears, and bows at all my cities simply because it makes no sense to stop producing but neither do I have need of all that I can produce.

Ummmm not sure how you do maths but it seems that overall the stats seems relatively equal

Edited by col0005 - 17 Mar 2011 at 01:33

Shhh, See Col0005, this is what happens when you  get in to an arguement with honoredMule, he breaks your arguement down in to nothing and leave you feeling like a twit.

? it shouldn't but it seems that