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col0005 
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 Topic: Spearmen take far too long
Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 05:11 |
When looking at the military unit statistics for orcs (best spearmen, poor archers) it can be seen that basic spearmen the archer performs better in every aspect except defense against cavlery, I know spearmen have a lower upkeep so this is resonable however unit production time is exactly the same. Is it just me or is this a significant handicap for the orc race?
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surferdude
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Posted: 14 Mar 2011 at 08:03 |
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They do only use 1 beer; whereas the other races need 1 leather aromour (which needs 1 cow) - so factoring in the time for the resources to make the unit - they are a bit faster and cheaper...
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col0005
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Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 00:16 |
yeah I agree that spearmen are very cheap for orcs however elven archers are equally cheap in terms of resources, I'm not saying that spearmen should be better, but that spearmen should take less time to produce, say 3/4 of the time.
Also time to make the resources..... this is only ever a problem for bows and spears when a player is very VERY small.
Edited by col0005 - 15 Mar 2011 at 00:26
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 15:21 |
 col0005 wrote:
Also time to make the resources..... this is only ever a problem for bows and spears when a player is very VERY small. |
I disagree with this. Unless you are militarily inactive for a very long time, you'll find plenty of cause to produce units 24/7. With a top-level barracks, this does become quite difficult even with top-level common ground and other bottleneck structures. That's before discovering the value of using more specialized (read, homogeneous) armies in larger multi-location battles. (This is a factor even Harmless didn't encounter until the January tournament.) Then factor in sovereignty, and you can have some cities producing a focus unit up to 3x faster in a single city. You can bet your pants then that equipment supply becomes the real issue by a mile. Now, if all you need is bows/spears/gold, then equipment production isn't a problem--which only means you have your huge benefit right there. Because those aren't bottleneck resources, otherwise-focused cities will overproduce and even be able to supply the cities on unit production steroids.
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col0005
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Posted: 15 Mar 2011 at 22:33 |
true however if i use elves as an example again not ony can you produce a far better unit in the same time with relativley same value resources but elves can make T2 archers for 1 beer 2 bow and 1 leather, as opposed to 1 beer 2 speer 1 leather 1 chain.
So yes they are cheap but elves are cheaper and faster to produce.
Edited by col0005 - 15 Mar 2011 at 22:38
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 04:04 |
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I don't get it. Why should the orc advantage be bigger than the elf advantage?
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col0005
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 11:54 |
? it shouldn't but it seems that
1.elven archers are equaly cheap to produce
2.about the same value for upkeep
3.take the same time to build
Which is all good, however if you take into account that an archer is a far stronger unit then points 1 & 3 give advantage to elves, where is the orc advantage?
P.s. my alt is elven and actually larger than my orc account so i'm not just wishing for my orc army to be superior, i honestly do see it as unbalanced.
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surferdude
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 12:37 |
Arn't they double the upkeep? That's not quite the same value...
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Attila the Hun
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 15:01 |
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Shhh, See Col0005, this is what happens when you get in to an arguement with honoredMule, he breaks your arguement down in to nothing and leave you feeling like a twit.
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It's just a game. :)
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Kumomoto
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Posted: 16 Mar 2011 at 15:04 |
Elven Sentinels get a worse defense per gold upkeep than Kobold Cohorts on most values. Therefore, the Orc basic spears are better...
At the end of the day, when all is said and done, it's about how many troops that city can support and what their corresponding values are. For the same amount of gold, you can get more defensive value with 2 Kobold Cohorts than you can with one Elven Sentinel...
Edited by Kumomoto - 16 Mar 2011 at 15:06
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