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    Posted: 28 Aug 2012 at 05:07
New experiment:  Rescind a sov claim (level 2) while the last demolition of a sov structure (level 1 to 0) is still in progress.  As expected this fails, and triggers an erroneous error message for building without sovereignty.

Unable to complete Sovereign Structure at 876|-522

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Received By:dunnoob [*SKR*]
Date:28 Aug 2012 03:56
Your attempt from Midriver to build a Target Range 2 at this location failed as you are no longer claiming Sovereignty here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 15:26
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I meant the i buttons are an IllyTools feature, not a game feature.  (I think?)
I can't tell, I've never used Illy tools, and there are no (i)-buttons on my production pages.  What I see are (?)-icons in the info-column (textual column header "info", no button), and when I mouse over a (?) there is an "official" tool tip telling me how long it takes to produce the relevant resource:  Base time (level 1), actual time (actual level), sov bonus (0 for the wine example), resulting time (12h for the wine example).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 10:46
I meant the i buttons are an IllyTools feature, not a game feature.  (I think?)  Therefore whether or not they mention sovereignty for something does not mean there is or isn't sovereignty for it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 03:10
Interesting. Thanks for posting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 01:27
What's a better term for the info shown when clicking on resource icons, player names, etc.?  Wikipedia suggests that tool tips are shown without clicking, and that's how the question marks in the info column on the brewery page work for me. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2012 at 20:25
I thought tooltips were an Illytools thing?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2012 at 19:41
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

There is no indication that the beer squares will provide a benefit to wine.  The devs have already said the weapons sov squares won't provide a benefit to the crafted weapons.
The tool tip (info) for wine making has a line for a sovereignty bonus.  Of course that could be misleading, and what's missing is a new not yet released "whining" sovereignty research.  Just in case I filed a petition, and so far #7131 was not closed as WONTFIX or similar. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2012 at 18:49
There is no indication that the beer squares will provide a benefit to wine.  The devs have already said the weapons sov squares won't provide a benefit to the crafted weapons.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2012 at 14:42
Something you SHOULD NOT test, because I already did it:  If you are building a sovereignty structure, e.g., a Brewer's Yard III on a 7 food square originally claimed for a Farmstead V, and if you rescind the sovereignty V claim on this square, because it is far too expensive for a beer production bonus, then the system will let you try this "structure rising with claim falling" business.  But when the structure should be ready it will tell you that building on this square failed due to a lack of sovereignty.

Apparently "sovereignty falling" is handled as "no sovereignty at all" for most purposes:  All you can do is stop the falling below the desired claim level with a new occupation for a new claim.  

So now I have to wait one week (7d = 5d V to IV + 4/2 days IV to III) to get below III, then claim III again with a short occupation, and eventually build the Brewer's Yard III for a decent 24% bonus.  While falling the claim costs nothing, and the existing Brewer's Yard II yields no bonus instead of 16%.

Hopefully the brewing bonus will also work for wine, at the moment it apparently only works for beer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jul 2012 at 08:21
Cancel Sovereignty at level 5 takes five days to reach level 4, but the next step to level 3 allegedly takes only two days: 

From: System
Subject: FW: Sovereignty claim rescinded at x|y
Received: 13 Jul 2012 06:52
Original Message:
You have given up your Sovereignty claim at this location. Your sovereignty will fall, and continue to fall, until you either re-establish a claim or Sovereignty reaches zero, whereupon the square will return to Neutrality.

You will drop a level of Sovereignty on or around 18JUL12 06:52.


Claim LevelClaim Status
IV to III (99.46%)Falling

Current claims, cancellations & counterclaims will resolve
1d 23h 44m 30s at 20JUL12 06:53



Edited by dunnoob - 18 Jul 2012 at 08:27
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