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   ...Such a code would serve nothing but introduce lots of bureaucracy.
All the latest wars worth talking about were BIG ones between two huge groups of alliances. Each one had it's set point of view, each one was to become leading confed after winning the war.

What would a code change there? Either the winning alliance abides to that code => cool, war is over as soon as a limit in razed towns is reached and the looser stops being annoying (important point IMO).

Or they don't...  hell, there will be mean times to arrive, but who's gonna stop them? You could wave with any code, but they don't need to care about... 

Each alliance must discuss intern, whether they want to have a limit in destruction of enemies.

There's only one scenario, where there might be a use to this code: A big alliance/confed/etc. wants to have the code, and two smaller alliances are at war. Then the code can be inflicted onto those...  and I'm not sure, whether I'd like this sort of policing.

As for the concernes for newbys being razed as soon as out of protection: This won't happen anytime soon! All big alliances know the importancy of new players, and everyone sieging new players must have a really good explanation to not become a target himself. 

There are exceptions... as many as there are aggresive, annoying, etc. new players up for causing trouble... sorry, but that's what I call ingame suicide. Luckily the slow pace of Illyriad usually sorts those players out before any measures are needed 

Edited by Hora - 18 Jul 2014 at 12:09

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Hora Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 10 May 2010 Status: Offline Points: 839	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hora Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 12:06
	...Such a code would serve nothing but introduce lots of bureaucracy. All the latest wars worth talking about were BIG ones between two huge groups of alliances. Each one had it's set point of view, each one was to become leading confed after winning the war. What would a code change there? Either the winning alliance abides to that code => cool, war is over as soon as a limit in razed towns is reached and the looser stops being annoying (important point IMO). Or they don't... hell, there will be mean times to arrive, but who's gonna stop them? You could wave with any code, but they don't need to care about... Each alliance must discuss intern, whether they want to have a limit in destruction of enemies. There's only one scenario, where there might be a use to this code: A big alliance/confed/etc. wants to have the code, and two smaller alliances are at war. Then the code can be inflicted onto those... and I'm not sure, whether I'd like this sort of policing. As for the concernes for newbys being razed as soon as out of protection: This won't happen anytime soon! All big alliances know the importancy of new players, and everyone sieging new players must have a really good explanation to not become a target himself. There are *exceptions... as many as there are aggresive, annoying, etc. new players* up for causing trouble... sorry, but that's what I call ingame suicide. Luckily the slow pace of Illyriad usually sorts those players out before any measures are needed Edited by Hora - 18 Jul 2014 at 12:09

Velociryx Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: Myrtle Beach, S Status: Offline Points: 45	Post Options Post Reply Quote Velociryx Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 13:02
	The only change I'd make to your statement would be this: "Everyone knows the importance of having players, and anyone seiging a player out of the game had better have a really good explanation, or become a target himself." Edited by Velociryx - 18 Jul 2014 at 13:03

Hora Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 10 May 2010 Status: Offline Points: 839	Post Options Post Reply Quote Hora Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 13:06
	Yep, you're right there. But only big alliances can enforce such a code/agreement/rule... or ignore it. Smaller alliances or single players might have hard times when trying to achieve same political impact / military power

Velociryx Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: Myrtle Beach, S Status: Offline Points: 45	Post Options Post Reply Quote Velociryx Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 13:13
	I absolutely agree...thus my earlier comments about our new Sheriffs and the importance of symbols. I would rather that it NOT BE open season, and it could be. All it takes is the symbol of precedent. I understand that the peace terms are symbolic. As was pointed out previously though, H? has lost some sixty percent of her players and her population. There's no symbolic gesture anywhere that can compare to that. It is a symbol unto itself. Here's another symbol: Right now, we've got a collection of alliances with 5x or more the population of another. They've got the alliance on the ground, and are in the process of kicking it to death. Out of curiosity, what do you think would happen to SOUTH (pop 3m) if we began a war with, say, the Illy Beach Club (pop 600k) and it appeared that we were intent on hunting them to extinction? Just...based on prior wars, extrapolate what the community response would be. ;)

HATHALDIR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Warrior Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Status: Offline Points: 380	Post Options Post Reply Quote HATHALDIR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 13:16
	What makes you think we are not talking and working towards a settlement? Why have you not asked for a status update? What makes you think we are not doing what we can? What gives you the right to compare us to peepertrators of domestic violence? A new low in tacky references. I have not received a mail from any alliance offering to bring help to a settlement, with the exception of Captain Kindly over Skype. If anyone wants to know the status, find out before making posts steming from ignorance please.
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Velociryx Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: Myrtle Beach, S Status: Offline Points: 45	Post Options Post Reply Quote Velociryx Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 13:25
	Hath, you DO have a peace thread, right here on this forum, do you not? I'm not your mother...if you don't keep it updated, you're right....we won't know. I took the thread that YOU opened (which was where I got the quote from re: terms in the other thread) as the latest info available for public consumption. I'm sorry you find that unreasonable. :) Edited by Velociryx - 18 Jul 2014 at 13:26

Velociryx Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: Myrtle Beach, S Status: Offline Points: 45	Post Options Post Reply Quote Velociryx Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 13:37
	As to this: What makes you think we are not doing what we can? Ima go out on a limb here and posit the radical notion that it might have something to do with the fact that you're continuing to kick the clearly defeated opponent? :) Maybe?

HATHALDIR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Warrior Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Status: Offline Points: 380	Post Options Post Reply Quote HATHALDIR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 13:41
	Actually i do not have a peace thread. I posted an open letter to H? and the second was a question that was atrfully dodged, but again addressed to H?. As to keeping you updated, i haven't seen your interest until this thread, and what is in it is all negative and derogatory. Try some positive ideas, you might be surprised where they take you!
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Velociryx Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: Myrtle Beach, S Status: Offline Points: 45	Post Options Post Reply Quote Velociryx Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 13:56
	Okay...you have a thread which "happened to contain" a peace offer. We'll go with that then. The central point remains. They're your threads, guy. If you can't be arsed to update them, how's that a failing on my part? I'm sorry the subject matter is a bit dark and dreary and negative. I'll work on coming up with ways of putting a more positive spin on one alliance beating another to death, while claiming "we're doing all we can" to stop it. And no - you haven't seen my interest. I don't post, and I don't get involved in politics outside our very small sphere of influence. That should be very telling, shouldn't it? That the current situation is seen as so bad by normally uninterested outsiders that they stop to say something, and I wasn't even the first. It appears that Arctic was. That should be sounding all kinds of alarm bells. Edited by Velociryx - 18 Jul 2014 at 13:57

Velociryx Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Greenhorn Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: Myrtle Beach, S Status: Offline Points: 45	Post Options Post Reply Quote Velociryx Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Jul 2014 at 14:06
	See, here's the thing: If you want peace, it's as simple as stopping dispatching sieges. Your opponents are beaten. You've won. Good job. You WANT the symbols. You WANT the elation of seeing your foes humiliated, and they're not giving it to you. That makes you mad. I get it...I do. But let's face it...you could have Peace today if you wanted it. It's just that the symbols are more important to you. That can lead you into very dark places. If you persist...if you hunt this alliance to extinction, I can guarantee you that you won't like the shape of the world you and yours wind up ruling. It will be formed on the basis of and in response to your actions. Make those actions good ones. Live up to the name you have chosen for yourselves, because we need you to.