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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2012 at 18:04
Originally posted by Mogul Mogul wrote:

Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Originally posted by Mogul Mogul wrote:


No I am generating that from xml files and there are also defender towns and everything listed. Just no one from Consone was interested in Consone towns armies participated in war so I didn't made that output...

Ahhahahahh "really minister ??" [/Sir Appleby trollface]

Come on, you want us to believe that Consone is NOT interested in its own casualties and gauging how it is faring and how much armies they have left to wage their campaign .?. 

This idea is beyong funny ... it is hilarious ! :D  
Hmm??? What are you talking about? Confused


What exactly was unclear .?.  Anyway, your new response covers the matter, as requested ... 


Originally posted by Faenix Faenix wrote:


Consone isn't the only one with cool tables of war statistics.

Strictly war related figures appear ... finally ... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2012 at 17:45
Originally posted by Faenix Faenix wrote:


Consone isn't the only one with cool tables of war statistics.
Cool. I have also some list but I am sure I missed several towns. Could you post this in more details like list with town names (or best also with town IDs)?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2012 at 17:35
Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Originally posted by Mogul Mogul wrote:


No I am generating that from xml files and there are also defender towns and everything listed. Just no one from Consone was interested in Consone towns armies participated in war so I didn't made that output...

Ahhahahahh "really minister ??" [/Sir Appleby trollface]

Come on, you want us to believe that Consone is NOT interested in its own casualties and gauging how it is faring and how much armies they have left to wage their campaign .?. 

This idea is beyong funny ... it is hilarious ! :D  
Hmm??? What are you talking about? Confused

Of course I am generating Consone* casualties same as other side casualties every day and they are accessible only from Consone forum**... I am sure I even posted somewhere in this thread summary number from few days ago.

KillerPoodle was asking about different statistics that I am also generating daily and copy of which I linked here and as I already replied i am not generating that for Consone* only for other side (towns armies participated in war)... but you can believe what ever you want Tongue

Originally posted by Southern Dwarf Southern Dwarf wrote:

Vicx is not part of Consone. So putting it inside your table "Consone" would be wrong. Vicx is in the war because they are allied with Vic.

You mean in this table? (http://www.puzzleslogic.com/illy/war_towns.html)

Yes. Also VALAR, I don't know if it is in Consone or not...
But it was not Consone table, but table of alliances fighting in this war. I put there all alliances that have fight in war in last few weeks (and I had them also sorted in order of war casualties on both sides).

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* : replace Consone* with (VIC + EE + WE + Absa + Druid + VICX + VALAR + Roads + Frost + Sages)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2012 at 17:32

Consone isn't the only one with cool tables of war statistics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2012 at 17:06
Originally posted by Mogul Mogul wrote:


Concerning ~FF~ i think it was training alliance. I don't think H? or anyone else would attack them and also there was no attack from them or against them so ~FF~ players or towns where "out of war" but if some of them joined EE they are now "in war"... 

But you are correct that if I wrote that based on towns and pop. table Consone has now 1.6 mil bigger pop. compared to 22. Sep it is not true... it should be (VIC + EE + WE + Absa + Druid + Roads + VALAR + VICX + Frost + Sages) have...



If 95% of an alliances population suddenly moves over to the parent as soon as a war is declared then for me that totally breaks the definition of a training alliance.  It's basically a 2nd wing hiding under the "training alliance" umbrella ready to drop it's pretense and become a fighting alliance as soon as things heat up.

So - again - if you follow the strict designation of who was actually listed as a Consone alliance then the numbers say one thing.  If you look at who was really allied with them from the beginning then you get something completely different.

Using your argument I can say that the original coalition was only RHY and H?  and thus the numbers for The Coalition have grown immensely due to the addition of millions of pop from dlords, NC and Dark joining.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2012 at 16:21
Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

You are completely mistaken, Ander. Knowing your own casualties is extremely useful ...

Could be Kumo, this is my first war. I will request Mogul to not give out the H coalition casualties then Ouch 

A bit late for that ... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2012 at 16:13
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

You are completely mistaken, Ander. Knowing your own casualties is extremely useful ...

Could be Kumo, this is my first war. I will request Mogul to not give out the H coalition casualties then Ouch 

Though I have no doubt H has their own means to get any and all useful data they need. HonoredMule is no common CTO! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2012 at 15:08
Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Come on, you want us to believe that Consone is NOT interested in its own casualties and gauging how it is faring and how much armies they have left to wage their campaign .?. 

This idea is beyong funny ... it is hilarious ! :D  

The only use in looking at casualties is to gauge how much troops the rival camps currently have. If they have suffered heavy casualties in a region, they may have less troops there.

You don't need to look at battle reports to know much army you are left with. You can get accurate data on your standing troops. The data about your casualties is of use only to your rivals.

What is really funny is you understand this as much as anyone else, but still keeps arguing for the sake of argument.



Military schools all over the world should learn of that last development in military reasoning, asap ... LOL

Look, I would really appreciate if Mogul just told me "pal, that is our info, why should we go public with it and give you free intel on our side ? We have it, but we won't share it, end of story" ... that would have been reasonable and, frankly, applaudable as far as I am concerned ... 

But telling us that you do not have said info and that you find it redundunt and useless .?. This is really beyond belief ... honestly I cannot think of anyone organising himself for any sort of competition (be that an illy war or even a soccer match or a poker game) where he would care only for intel on the opponents and would disregard a deep and thorough knowledge of HIS OWN STRENGTHS and abilities !!! 

Sun Tzu is rolling in his grave man ... seriously ... Tongue

So you people are either being dishonest on not having that info or you really do not have it, in which case we can all have a good laugh at that idea ... LOL ... frankly though I feel oblidged give you people some credit for common sense, ergo I cannot believe that within the whole of Consone noone thought of this thing out ... but if you insist on labeling yourselves utterly unreasonable, hey, why should I argue about it .?. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2012 at 14:13
You are completely mistaken, Ander. Knowing your own casualties is extremely useful for analyzing the effectiveness of yor own and the enemy's tactics and strategies, enabling wise leaders to adjust their behavior for better results...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2012 at 13:52
Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Come on, you want us to believe that Consone is NOT interested in its own casualties and gauging how it is faring and how much armies they have left to wage their campaign .?. 

This idea is beyong funny ... it is hilarious ! :D  

The only use in looking at casualties is to gauge how much troops the rival camps currently have. If they have suffered heavy casualties in a region, they may have less troops there.

You don't need to look at battle reports to know much army you are left with. You can get accurate data on your standing troops. The data about your casualties is of use only to your rivals.

What is really funny is you understand this as much as anyone else, but still keeps arguing for the sake of argument.


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