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GM Stormcrow 
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 Posted: 05 Apr 2010 at 00:00 |
 HonoredMule wrote:
I did of course mean to include a merged schedule of countries' statutory holidays, but hadn't thought of military service. |
^^ this is why the GM and Dev team love HM tbh
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Candls
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Posted: 04 Apr 2010 at 23:58 |
Some good points so far, but I think leave the the holidays unlimited if it does look like some players start to abuse then review/cancel, but reading what I have seen so far I think that will be unlikely.
I do accept that our French brethren may feel a little overworked only having 365 days available to take holiday though!!
It sounds like everyone is quite happy with the 'sitter' idea so far.
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 04 Apr 2010 at 23:45 |
4+ weeks...wow. Well, I suppose there's got to be some compensation for living in France.  A lot of countries give 2-4 months off from various levels of education. For the most part, that in itself doesn't count...to my knowledge at least, students usually don't actually go anywhere for more than a few weeks. I did of course mean to include a merged schedule of countries' statutory holidays, but hadn't thought of military service. That's a tough one. I would imagine the 14 day consecutive holiday limit must interfere with that even more. Candls' suggestion that there be no cooldown and instead make holiday a true, full-blown "suspended animation state" is probably the simplest fair and workable system.
Edited by HonoredMule - 04 Apr 2010 at 23:47
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waylander69
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Posted: 04 Apr 2010 at 21:39 |
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try spain..blinking kids get 3 months off school in the summer...so not fair...
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GM Stormcrow
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Posted: 04 Apr 2010 at 20:37 |
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Interesting point HM.
There are a number of players who have expressed specific interest in the mechanics of the "Player Holiday" option via petition and/or PM, and are (eg) serving members of various countries' armed forces. Their holiday plans don't fall into the typical office worker's schedules, ofc - and I think we'd be hard pushed to describe Helmand Province as a "holiday" anyway...
Whilst we're not going to design a system around a specific set of professional obligations, it would be ideal if we could work out as flexible a system as possible that works for a variety of professions - and indeed countries.
When I lived in the States, it was generally 2 weeks of holiday per year. Back in the UK, holiday is almost always 3 weeks - and quite often 4 weeks+ per year. And my French cousins... well, you wouldn't believe the holiday they get XD
So I'd rather not implement a system that isn't as flexible as the international labour market if at all possible.
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 04 Apr 2010 at 19:41 |
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Here's a thought regarding cooldown: Why not instead limit holiday time usage in a manner considerate of real-world holiday time? In other words, add usable holiday time for every actual statutory holiday that occurs in slight advance of the actual holiday (like 1 week). Start accounts with 2 weeks of usable holiday time, add two weeks at the end of every year, and limit total holiday time that can be saved to 3 or 4 weeks.
This should coincide well with players' real-world holiday plans. Even players whose schedules differ are likely still having those real-world schedules restricted by very similar (and probably tighter) constraints.
I would still use a small cooldown (like 24 hours) just to prevent the breaking up of holiday time into tiny increments that would allow activity at very regular intervals. Doing so isn't necessarily an exploit, but preventing such would actually be considerate to the player. If you're going to take a vacation, leave your cares behind and take a damn vacation!
Edited by HonoredMule - 04 Apr 2010 at 19:43
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GM Stormcrow
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Posted: 04 Apr 2010 at 16:38 |
Candls wrote:
I'm not sure if there should be any cool down period for a player holiday, if you go for the 'suspended animation' option and its going to cost prestige then I can't see why someone would take a player holiday unless they really needed to.
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Yes, completely agreed. If we go the "suspended animation" route + no sitter interaction, then I can't see why the holiday can't be extended beyond 2 weeks. I'd still like some sort of cooldown though - as I want to avoid the "holiday/overnight attack/holiday" scenario as much as possible. With some cooldown in place, plus suspended animation etc, I think it's unlikely people will use it for too long as they'll start falling behind their peers after a while.
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Candls
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Posted: 04 Apr 2010 at 12:05 |
I'm not sure if there should be any cool down period for a player holiday, if you go for the 'suspended animation' option and its going to cost prestige then I can't see why someone would take a player holiday unless they really needed to.
I can't see why this system could be abused and therefore why you would need to have a cool down period.
I agree with no restrictions on sitting, when HonouredMule pointed out that it could be used to gain activity hours I initially raised an eyebrow, but now I think about it if Alliances want to expliot this then I'm all for it - at the end of the day the reason this is an online game is to allow interaction.
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GM Stormcrow
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Posted: 04 Apr 2010 at 11:07 |
HonoredMule wrote:
Will there be any restriction on the duration or quantity of account sitting that can occur, or will people be allowed to essentially use account sitting to watch each other's backs regularly or maintain account activity at all hours (by collaborating with players from different timezones)?
I'm not opposed to unrestricted use beyond planned events, but--as member of a diverse alliance of highly honorable members--my position is a little biased. The idea of regularly having extra "executive" attention on my account is a favorable one.
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We're not considering restrictions on sitting hours, no.
Candls wrote:
I agree with the 3 exceptions in 2b, but as for basic and advanced
how about a menu of functions to be authorised for the 'sitter'? That
way each player can decide for themsevles what permissions to give.
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Maybe - though this might just complicate things a bit too much for players. We're all in favour of simplicity wherever possible, so if we can predefine the categories it might work out better for everyone!
Candls wrote:
Finally what would the 'player holiday' option look like? |
Current thinking is: - You can choose to take a Player Holiday of up to 14 days at a time
- This
will cost Prestige to put in place
- Your troops abroad
(Occupying, reinforcing) will remain where they are and be fully
interactive from other players, and your trade offers/orders will fill
as usual
- You Cities will be invulnerable (as New Player
Protection) to new attacks
- You cannot declare a Player Holiday if you have any current outbound
hostile actions against another player, or hostile actions in effect
(Blockade, Siege)
- Player Holidays
will not make any difference to any current, inbound, hostile actions
- During a declared Player Holiday, sitters will not be able to log in
- If
you log in to your account at any time before the player Holiday ends, the Holiday protection ends
- There
will be a player Holiday cooldown of X
weeks/months before you can declare a Player Holiday again
The 2 questions we still need to work through are: a) What's the cooldown period before you can declare another Player Holiday? I'm in favour of around 2 months, personally. b) Whether a city in Holiday mode continues to accrue resources, or whether we treat Holiday as a complete state of "suspended animation" Any comments / thoughts / ideas welcome, as always. Best wishes, GM Stormcrow
Edited by GM Stormcrow - 04 Apr 2010 at 11:08
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HonoredMule
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Posted: 04 Apr 2010 at 05:56 |
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Will there be any restriction on the duration or quantity of account sitting that can occur, or will people be allowed to essentially use account sitting to watch each other's backs regularly or maintain account activity at all hours (by collaborating with players from different timezones)?
I'm not opposed to unrestricted use beyond planned events, but--as member of a diverse alliance of highly honorable members--my position is a little biased. The idea of regularly having extra "executive" attention on my account is a favorable one.
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