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abstractdream 
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 Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 10:59 |
 G0DsDestroyer wrote:
-TLR made ridiculous demands for the TRO surrender.
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...and TRO accepted. Is it like selling drugs or prostitution wherein the "victim" does time too, or is it more of a white collar crime like a pyramid scheme wherein the "victim" is considered dumb but innocent? I'd like a serious answer. This is considered crime enough to launch a war. Let us define the crime for future players.
G0DsDestroyer wrote:
-Eternal Fire, as he is the leader, should be punished for being a bad winner, as i shall call it. along
with those that helped in the war. |
OK. Fair enough. Y'all hate EF. I get it.
Along with the circumstance referenced above it seems it was enough for you guys to pull the trigger, so it does, in my personal opinion call into question any Peace agreement which does not address this. Since it is highly unlikely that the emotion attached will just cease because a war was ceased what might the next circumstance be that would cause you to pull the trigger? Maybe a list of actions that EF and TLR cannot take would be in order?
G0DsDestroyer wrote:
We are not out to eliminate TLR, as some foolishly think. I would like to, but i restrain myself from that due to other people who have suffered that fate. Not that sieging EF out of the game would make him leave though, that's another matter though.
As for not attacking people under 15k pop, what is done is done. I've told my members not to attack anyone under 15k pop, but the war started sooner than we had anticipated, so things got messy.
As to we would think no one would care, we knew people would have problems, there always is, but i know people who went around siege happy and no one did anything about it, not that anyone would remember that or care to.
No one decided to step in and do something about these demands made by TLR of TRO, we acted, while you who felt it was wrong did nothing. |
So basically, you feel it is your right to dictate terms between two independent alliances? Never mind that Thordor asked you for help, you did not declare War nor were you involved in the ToS. No one stopped you from involving yourselves during the negotiation process. Why wait? Because all you lacked was a facade of a reason to annihilate us. It is your hate for EF that drives this and that is why any Peace deal brokered without addressing that is useless.
G0DsDestroyer wrote:
That's all I have to say at this time.
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Rorgash
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 08:40 |
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Bah, weaklings...
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LostEros
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 07:13 |
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Blood baths are bad for the pores.
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SugarFree
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 06:06 |
LostEros wrote:
Having started this thread, I would like to submit that both (all) sides call a cease-fire and negotiate a simple peace treaty. Perhaps both sides could approach the table on equal terms, being neither a winner nor a loser, and simply decide to settle for peace, terms be damned. Perhaps I am naive.
My initial reaction instigating this thread was the forwarding of an IGM message from a TLR player, sent by member of Aesir, without authorization it would seem. The stated concept of destroying the alliance (TLR) is what alarmed me. G0DsDestroyer has made it clear that this is/was not the goal, and it is very easily understandable that communications between people in an alliance can be... challenging, in the best of times. My original intent was more along the lines of an old-tyme "public shaming" intending to stop aggression, not to escalate it. I sent out messages to various alliance leaders asking for opinions before starting this post, hoping to gather enough consensus to apply peaceful political pressure in order to prevent an escalation of hostility. That didn't exactly work.
I believe previous posters have a strong point in that the new trade implementation should probably be everyone's focus for the near future. As detailed as it seems to be, it is going to be a battle in itself to grasp it all, and all of its implications. |
best thing ever written in this tread. now that could prove me wrong about the bloodbath i referred earlier.
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LostEros
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 05:56 |
Having started this thread, I would like to submit that both (all) sides call a cease-fire and negotiate a simple peace treaty. Perhaps both sides could approach the table on equal terms, being neither a winner nor a loser, and simply decide to settle for peace, terms be damned. Perhaps I am naive.
My initial reaction instigating this thread was the forwarding of an IGM message from a TLR player, sent by member of Aesir, without authorization it would seem. The stated concept of destroying the alliance (TLR) is what alarmed me. G0DsDestroyer has made it clear that this is/was not the goal, and it is very easily understandable that communications between people in an alliance can be... challenging, in the best of times. My original intent was more along the lines of an old-tyme "public shaming" intending to stop aggression, not to escalate it. I sent out messages to various alliance leaders asking for opinions before starting this post, hoping to gather enough consensus to apply peaceful political pressure in order to prevent an escalation of hostility. That didn't exactly work.
I believe previous posters have a strong point in that the new trade implementation should probably be everyone's focus for the near future. As detailed as it seems to be, it is going to be a battle in itself to grasp it all, and all of its implications.
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Fromfrak
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 05:43 |
I am glad to be part of one of the most interesting alliances in Illy. Never a dull moment..
Edited by Fromfrak - 27 Jul 2012 at 05:45
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SugarFree
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 05:37 |
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now it's to late, aurordan, you can not stop it with reason anymore. heh.. the sides are both acting with the genuine idea of being righteous. nothing can stop this anymore, and it will be a bloodbath of the likes we have rarely seen... at least, it will be me first one to experience live.
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Aurordan
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 05:23 |
Juswin wrote:
As stated in that post:
"To limit the threat that TRO presents to The Long Road by prohibiting all TRO cities of three thousand population and higher within 700 squares of the coordinate 610, 891 in diameter."
There you go. That is unacceptable, imo.
I do find it strange that so few reacted to this surrender term. I know, all that shiz about the terms being agreed on blah blah. But we all know that TRO has no choice but to accept them since they lost. The winner, imo, should be reasonable in their demands. Limiting TRO city sizes? 700 squares radius is a pretty large area. Basically, TLR is prohibiting TRO cities of 3000 pop and above in a 1,538,600 square area. That is a huge area. Not all of that is within the existing map, but you get my point.
Aesir acted strongly on their convictions, and Endrok showed one clear reason why. Let em have a go at it. |
Except, as they stated, they were going to attack before the terms even existed.
And they did indeed have a choice in accepting them. If they had fought on, TLR would have given different terms, until they accepted. they made the concessions they did to end the war quickly, and that is their decision, but they didn't have to take any terms they didn't want to.
As an aside, TRO seems to have no cities in that area, and it's not clear they want any there. Maybe they took that term never intending to settle there anyway and it just isn't an issue for them?
(Also, the term is a 700 space diameter, so that's 350 from the given spot.)
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Gemley
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 04:52 |
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/me puts away the disco ball and pancakes
Gods I do not know you well but I honestly wish you and Asir good luck.
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�I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien
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The_Dude
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Posted: 27 Jul 2012 at 04:42 |
Meagh wrote:
I would have expected Aesir's allies to step up.
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Aesir shot first. And for dubious reasons.
Lemme think....
someone important in history said something like this...
These are the times that try men's souls.
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