SIN War Declaration Against SHARK

Bobtron wrote: So, are these "local alliance rules" supposed to trump the well established illy norm of 10 sqs rule for settlement? To the best of my knowledge (read: illyriad times, gc, forums), shark has not settled in anyone's 10 sqs, which puts them in the clear. Land claims, on the other hand, are by definition, aggressive policies, and shark, or any alliance for that matter, is not obliged to follow them.

Bobtron wrote: Pellinell wrote: Secondly Vic has no stated reason for declaring. Use common sense.

As several people have previously been reprimanded for speculating on VIC's motivations, and you obviously know the answer, please state it clearly for everyone's benefit.

Bobtron wrote: Pellinell wrote: I'm not sure you know what a warmonger is, as it's quite clear Shark is the aggressor here. Replace Shark with SIN

Oh snap, the "I know you are but what am I?" defense! Well played, sir, well played. Your mastery of playground comeback classics is peerless. If we were in the 3rd grade that would have gone off like a nuclear bomb. Mouths hanging open, mic drop.

I don't even agree with Pellinell, but if that was the best you had, then he obviously won that round.

Pellinell wrote:    Wait, first of all Shark moved into BL with stated goal of establishing a military presence, while refusing to recognize the local alliances rules for settlement.

So, are these "local alliance rules" supposed to trump the well established illy norm of 10 sqs rule for settlement? To the best of my knowledge (read: illyriad times, gc, forums), shark has not settled in anyone's 10 sqs, which puts them in the clear. Land claims, on the other hand, are by definition, aggressive policies, and shark, or any alliance for that matter, is not obliged to follow them.

Pellinell wrote:    Shark is very much a foreign invader who's goal has been to exert their beliefs on the local population through warfare.

What beliefs have they been perpetuating through warfare? The right to settle according to illy norms and to defend themselves from others who deny them that right? And have they really been exerting them onto the local population?

Pellinell wrote:     Secondly Vic has no stated reason for declaring.

Use common sense.

Pellinell wrote:       Yet when sin stands up to these invaders they are the warmonger ?

I wasn't aware that Shark was invading Fellinandire. But yes, when SIN decides to attack an alliance for some "challenge" and decides to raze some cities just because they felt threatened is quite "warmongery"

Pellinell wrote:       I'm not sure you know what a warmonger is, as it's quite clear Shark is the aggressor here.

Replace Shark with SIN

As some one from the bl this war is important. Shark and vic want to settle in the bl to stop land claiming alliances.Why? what do you care what we do down here? The alliances of the bl like our side of the map.There's room to breath,tons of herbs and minerals to harvest and mine, and we stay in peace with each other. Land claiming is strategic. It helps the alliances to keep there sovereignty and to protect resources. The elgean alliances say they only back 10 square settling rules but look at how crowded elgea is, there isn't room for that anymore. Now they come down here and want to set up military's and MAKE LAND CLAIMS IN NEWLANDS for strategic reasons. This whole land claim/anti land claim thing is a farce. Hell yeah elgeans believe in land claim, if they didnt they would not be ready to fight over a land claim.Go sin! Take it to them with everything you have, because all of us in the bl know you will!! I've watched both wars closely and so far sin has frustrated shark. Something none of there enemies have been able to do. 

Brandmeister wrote: Is it really necessary to use disagreeable terms to describe each side? Aggressor, bully, conspirators, pile on, warmonger. Both parties in this war have acknowledged that the central Broken Lands are valuable to their respective alliance strategies. Whoever controls the Newlands and adjacent regions will be a major force in all future wars and tournament outcomes. Trivium and its allies sought to establish control of the region through a land claim, Shark intentionally thwarted that claim, and now their conflict is continuing. Other alliances like Invictus are trying to sway the outcome in their own favor. There is nothing especially surprising about any of this. The interplay of lands and adversaries is the central theme of the sandbox. They are all playing the game of empires as it is meant to be played. I realize that the forum meta-game is part of the sandbox, but it is tiresome that all significant conflicts in this game must devolve into trollish name calling on the forums and in general chat. There is nothing wrong with treating your opponents with respect in a game, even if you are at strategic odds. Civility amid duress is the very definition of sportsmanship. Maybe we could just observe the war with competitive enthusiasm, minus the disagreeable terms and sad violins.