Siege Breaking Defence or Offence?

Know your own alliance history a bit better. Or please do not talk about it untill you do. 

There is no misunderstanding about that. 

I am sure many people will try to make it seem so. But there isn't. 

If years ago I would have told you 1 + 1 = 2 . Then it should be the same today. 

Now... apparently it is not. Fine... you guys won, big pat on the back. And yes, lets get over with it. But I, and many other people, do want to know how they don't get involved in the same predicament next time. 

Shadar Logoth

ps. You might notice I don't post to often. Reason is that the more people post, the bigger the chance is that they actually make a mistake. 

I am sure you did not take the time to look into your own alliance's history. 

That part is basically fine with me. 

What I do mind is when war is declared for false reasons. 

Now, if you had read the history, we wouldn't be having this discussion. 

The only discussion, wich Hath really wants to know about, is ,..... what excuses will we be able to stick to, now and in the future. 

I am sure you still won't like the message. But these are the facts. Again, please do read up on the past.

Shad

ps... the thing i mentioned above will apply to numerous people who will try to reply to my message. If u don't mind. I will just skip those replies by pointing out the obvious... see above!

Pps... i could anticipate a lot more arguments, but I am only going to respond to the reasonable once if you don't mind. 

One more ps, all these edits u see, it´s cause I am not native English. 

There was a time I had expected more from you. But lately I have lost all respect for you.

Please, ones you have learned some self-reflection, try and talk to me again. Because if you really want me to tell people about what the past was like, you might look a bit silly.

Shad

I will try keep this short and to the point. 

As we all know, H? has had a big influence on how this world was changed, some of which has also been positive. But it is also right to conclude what other effects it has had on this world. 

Reason I say this is because of this topic. 

Now, regardless what people feel/think. There is one simple fact. The biggest alliance in this game-world has always operated by the idea that removing a siege was a DEFENSIVE act. Rill didn't just come up with what she wrote on a whim, that came from H? and what the community at that time decided to accept as trueth. 

All older players should be able to remember, and certainly confirm this. 

For those that would like to dispute this. Go look up the discussions about the Valar and TMM war (no reference to current TMM alliance). As back then Killerpoodle, specifically mentioned that members of H? had a lot of autonomy to basically do as they liked. And protecting/killing a siege, was one those rights. 

I am sure some people would like to start picking on what I said now, please, first do u homework and read those posts. And no, I am not going to give u links, I know it has been said in the past, consider it the benefits of being a player who has been a bit longer in this game. 

Hath's question was very valid, though I am sure people would love to ignore it, when they have been on one side, and the neutral people would like to ignore that it will ever happen to them off course. 

Fact is, H? did, numerous times, decide that they could enter into some disagreement, based on these facts. Now, to all rational people, that should have also meant that they should have kept out of the latest Consone dispute with some other alliance. 

I am not going to open up that discussion. 

But along with Hath, I would like to know, how we will be safe from H?, or any other alliance for that matter, from enterring disputes that they never had any right to enter into anyway. 

How can any confederation/alliance be sure that others won't use a cheap excuse to interfere?

I don't mind that people change their minds. But i do mind if they do it multiple times, to suit their needs. Cause if that is how it's going to be these days, then it also means we can't trust anyone anymore.

Shadar Logoth

Ps... the last sentence might not mean a lot to a lot of new players anymore, but trust me, ones that last part is lost, u will suddenly, quite quickly, find out what u lost.