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Finnegas 
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Joined: 30 Aug 2010
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Points: 22
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 Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 10:19 |
You say you don't want to police the server but you do. You ask a question but at the same time you give the answer.
If you want blood, go and get it, you don't really need anybody else's moral backup.
You stole the sea from us.
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firinne
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Joined: 02 Oct 2010
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Points: 6
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Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 11:01 |
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I have spoken with the TMM personally over this, and found their stance appalling. I find that the best part about being a new player is the freedom and ability to choose one's own destiny. TMM is taking that away from many, reducing them into thralls, or ash, the "choice" being theirs.
Finnegas does have a point in this being policing the server, as in requiring that there are some morale absolutes that should remain inviolate or else. So does
Honored_Mule; as TMM has been genociding all non-TMM in a huge blotch of
the map for quite some time already, it stands to reason that though
Harmless? may feel compelled to step up to the plate, it is not a role it looks forward to. To me this does not seem a first step down a slippery slope. It's stepping in when a gang is about to beat up a victim for walking on what they see as the wrong side of the road.
Thus, my vote is an unhesitant YES.
If the TMM feels they cannot live with others, it is "cannot live" that will have to give, rather than "with others".
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Gratch
Wordsmith
Joined: 18 Nov 2010
Location: England
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Points: 150
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Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 11:07 |
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The only thing I must ask is I hope any hostilities that are then aimed at TMM by harmless will be just against those who have wronged other alliances by being the aggressors and not against the few who joined out of fear of feeling the aggression from TMM?
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Fateful Ending
Greenhorn
Joined: 21 Sep 2010
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Points: 68
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Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 11:09 |
Harmless? have already said they are concentrating on the leadership, and that all other members do have a chance to redeem themselves ETC.
Unfortunately it comes down to whether or not the defence "I was under Orders" works. (which it shouldn't, free-will exists)
PS, just relised that came off a it harsh, What i meant was that no-one who attacks should use the excuse. Bullied Members should have no consequences thrust upon them, unless of course they join in.
Edited by Fateful Ending - 20 Nov 2010 at 11:12
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firinne
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Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 11:14 |
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TMM though clearly does not seem to acknowledge the concept of free will. As a famous leader once said,
"You are with us, or..."
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Gratch
Wordsmith
Joined: 18 Nov 2010
Location: England
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Points: 150
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Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 11:16 |
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That was all I was wondering. In that case TMM do not have any excuse for their actioons and harmless has full right to stand up for those who are feeling the weight of TMM's discrimination.
To be honest I think only the few who had no part or no say in the actions that took place are the blameless ones.
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Createure
Postmaster General
Joined: 07 Apr 2010
Location: uk
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Points: 1191
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Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 11:36 |
My spears have been getting rusty for a while now...  Though it's not just out of boredom that I want to launch an attack... I do genuinely feel for those poor bullied noobies out there, I was one once under the strangle hold of several notorious White thugs, and H? ultimately rescued me. So now it's my turn to give something back to the peaceful, prosperous and noobie friendly community out there. 
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Finnegas
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Joined: 30 Aug 2010
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Points: 22
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Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 11:45 |
A few concerns:
1. What would H? involvement be? Destruction of TMM? it would be the second time they do it
2. Seems like the choice for TMM would be: quit or die; not that much different from their victims' claim
3. There's the risk that the conflict will become global if Harmless gets involved. Time ago there were some people criticizing H? and they may be waiting the chance. Maybe that's why H? is probing public opinion before they enter another annihilation war.
4. Can't there be a compromise? Making a nation whole seems like a romantic idea to me, not bad per se. Maybe US can join TMM into a confederation, include some reference to Malt Motsa in their name (Malt Motha's US?) and be an autonomous province within that region.
Not that I care a lot about all this because I don't associate with either of the contending alliances. I'm just bored and trying to see things from another perspective.
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Metallicus
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Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Scotland
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Points: 29
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Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 12:54 |
 Finnegas wrote:
A few concerns:
1. What would H? involvement be? Destruction of TMM? it would be the second time they do it
2. Seems like the choice for TMM would be: quit or die; not that much different from their victims' claim
3. There's the risk that the conflict will become global if Harmless gets involved. Time ago there were some people criticizing H? and they may be waiting the chance. Maybe that's why H? is probing public opinion before they enter another annihilation war.
4. Can't there be a compromise? Making a nation whole seems like a romantic idea to me, not bad per se. Maybe US can join TMM into a confederation, include some reference to Malt Motsa in their name (Malt Motha's US?) and be an autonomous province within that region.
Not that I care a lot about all this because I don't associate with either of the contending alliances. I'm just bored and trying to see things from another perspective. |
In answer mate, 1. Involvement of any kind from H? may tip the balance and force TMM to stand down (I would) 2. We dont seek their destruction,just a sharp lesson in how to be a good neighbour. 3. Understood and i wouldnt expect any other approach. 4. The compromise in the TMM camp is "Join or Die". Both US and DB have tried the diplomatic route to abject failure. I also feel that we owe it to shrap to protect his work and allow US to grow unhindered. Just my thoughts :)
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Proud Warboss of Dark Blight
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Finrod
Greenhorn
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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Points: 42
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Posted: 20 Nov 2010 at 14:04 |
By posting this, I know I am probably forfeiting any aid World's End would receive from H? in our own conflict, but I support H? intervention against The Mal Motshans. Even against our odds, we have a chance to defend ourselves, new players do not. This makes TMM's actions more grievous even than those that are being sent against us; therefore, TMM should receive H? attention.
Finrod
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