Settlement Proximity

matiez wrote: It doesn't make any game sense to move within 10 of someone. If you do, you are only hurting yourself. By moving in closer than 10 squares, you get less sov to claim. The "10 square rule" is not about territory or alliance claims. It's about the production of your city. Settling closer than 10 squares is about as equivelant as settling a 3 food plot. You can do it, but you'd be better off finding somewhere else to go. The extreme hard cut off would have to be 7 squares. Any closer than that and it's only a matter of time for hostilities to break out. Between 7 and 10 you could probably work something out, but someone is losing at least 3 sov squares. This discussion should be about the game effects of moving within 10 squares. That's the true underlying issue that everyone seems to be avoiding.

KillerPoodle wrote: H? has recently found itself increasingly involved in diplomatic discussions around city proximity. While it seems as though most players are courteous enough to contact prospective new neighbors before they move or settle in their vicinity, we've also had to deal with folks who just don't think or even deliberately try to cause a problem.

At present the alliance i am with is currently having the same problems, and not sure if it is a ploy to get a reaction from our alliance. Its fair enough that you have concerns about this sort of thing.

KillerPoodle wrote: To avoid future disappointment players who wish to move their cities or settle within 10 squares of an existing Harmless? player's city are advised to contact the player concerned and an H? diplomat/director before the move to discuss it and reach an agreement. Thanks for your attention. KP

Its polite and fair player gaming to make contact with a person whos area that your are moving into and within a several sq's of the players city. I still contact those whos area i am moving into and will continue to do so out of respect and common courtesy.

Rather have friendly neighbors then one im constantly at wars with

What i wouldnt agree with is, if an alliance has moved into an area that has or was already being occupied by another alliance and expected the 10 sq thing from the alliance who was already there first.

I would like to put my pennies worth in here....  10 squares?  yeah I think this is a little extreme, 4 or 5 squares I consider more than appropriate, however.....

H are a large and often aggresive alliance, so in my mind if anyone that is not allied to them who settles within 10 squares is a bit stupid.  However....

The map is becoming constricted, so perhap long standing players need to give some more allowance to people settling within proximity of their cities.  Considering this fact though, H are merely requesting contact regarding people settling so close, they are not saying you can not do it, although knowing H I expect concetions would be expected from anyone doing such a thing.

Despite these details, this is a game and a fairly militaristic one after all, so if H feel the need to militarily prevent people from doing such a thing, then they can.  However (and yes I do like that word)...  If H expect this from others then they should set the example by doing the same themselves... rather than demanding that players do not settle that close, they should have addressed this issue by saying  their members and the members of the confeds would contact anyone within 10 squares of where they want to settle to check its OK and that in turn they expect others to return that respectfull policy.

H? has normally been pretty agreeable to requests from players in my alliances who wished to settle within 10 squares (but at a reasonable distance, usually around 8 squares) from an existing H? city.

Although thanking third parties for what they think is reasonable/appropriate/fair etc, this is not a request for discussion rather a statement of policy.

Harmless's position is clear and this thread was bumped as a reminder to all regards our stance in light of a recent multitude of issues deriving from player naievitv.