Settlement Proximity

KillerPoodle wrote: H? has recently found itself increasingly involved in diplomatic discussions around city proximity. While it seems as though most players are courteous enough to contact prospective new neighbors before they move or settle in their vicinity, we've also had to deal with folks who just don't think or even deliberately try to cause a problem. To avoid future disappointment players who wish to move their cities or settle within 10 squares of an existing Harmless? city are advised to contact the player concerned and an H? diplomat/director before the move to discuss it and reach an agreement. Thanks for your attention. KP

I read the first two pages and the last two pages, so apologies if I say anything that's already been said.

Settling close to someone is all about the sovereignty available. Research exists to claim sov in a radius of 7 squares, for 150 sov squares total. You can only claim 20 buildings, though. It is not farfetched for a town to claim the closest 3-5 square radius. If two towns settle closer than this, a sov war will break out. That is a fact of life.

It is a good idea to always ask about moving when relocating within that sov zone. Otherwise, you do run the risk of starting a conflict. Afterall, they were there first. Settling within the sov zone can be seen as an "invasion".

I am not condoning the bullying of newbies who are not aware of this. I am also not condoning attacking without working through the issues. What I'm saying is if you are made aware of the "mistake" of settling on or near someone's sov, be diplomatic about a resolution. This goes for all parties involved.

Kilotov of DokGthung wrote: call it whatever you want. this is how things will go: wanna settle in 10 squares from an H? town? may pm to ask H? for permission,  or get ready for forceful removal.

Right Kilo! It is time to take you...and Belargyle and Flipper to task.

I think KillerPoodle has by now realised the folly of starting a thread in such a brash and arrogant way leastways he found it necesaary to later clarify his position by asserting that all he wanted was to advise new players to contact an H? player before moving with 10 cities of that players city ( yeah ...as if!).

This whole Settlement Proximity nonsense has gone on long enough and just when it seems that H? have realised that it can no longer get away with playing the bully anymore up pops Dlord in the shape of one it's officers (or rather its Highward) and chimes into the debate with another "ask permission" or face "forceful removal".

This reminds me of the Dlord posturing in the war with Valar where H? did most of the work and Dlord came riding in on their coat tails to claim some kudos by hitting players who were defending their comrades even after other alliances had ceased hostilities.    

Huh and you guys have the nerve to accuse others of being the bad guys!

Kumomoto wrote: According to Wikipedia, The definition of Metagaming is: "A broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game" The limits and environment set by the Illy Staff clearly include the Illy Forums.  In fact, the Illy Staff strongly encourage people to use every aspect of the Illy gaming environment, including the Forums, so your statement that this is "Metagaming" is patently false.

You're ignoring  the word "or".

Where you cut off your quote is also interesting.  Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself.  But let's not be too selective about definitions.

I'm not even sure why anyone would go any length to deny metagaming, it happens, it's expected, it's normal -- forum categories are devoted to it!  But call a spade a spade.  Regardless, it'll be interesting to see what action comes from this...


Edited by Cuddlefuzz - 15 Nov 2011 at 20:28

Cuddlefuzz wrote: Really?  This is a good excuse?  Again, sovereignty is the in-game mechanism for making land claims.  Making a speech on the forums or in an alliance profile or wherever else is metagaming -- which is fine, but understand what it is.

There is absolutely no reason why we or anyone else needs an excuse.

Using the Illyriad Forums and player to player diplomacy is just as much a part of this sandbox game as using sovereignty. So stop trying to give the impression that H? is somehow "Metagaming" or doing something untoward. If you want to claim land that way go ahead. But stop trying to judge us on our ways which are equally as valid and conforming with the intended game mechanics.

According to Wikipedia, The definition of Metagaming is: "A broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game"

The limits and environment set by the Illy Staff clearly include the Illy Forums.  In fact, the Illy Staff strongly encourage people to use every aspect of the Illy gaming environment, including the Forums, so your statement that this is "Metagaming" is patently false.