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Points: 288 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 00:16
Originally posted by KillerPoodle KillerPoodle wrote:

H? has recently found itself increasingly involved in diplomatic discussions around city proximity.

While it seems as though most players are courteous enough to contact prospective new neighbors before they move or settle in their vicinity, we've also had to deal with folks who just don't think or even deliberately try to cause a problem.

To avoid future disappointment players who wish to move their cities or settle within 10 squares of an existing Harmless? city are advised to contact the player concerned and an H? diplomat/director before the move to discuss it and reach an agreement.

Thanks for your attention.

KP


To emphasise his sincerity KillerPoodle was considering getting a well respected californian politician to add some gravitas to his announcement by politely and courteously adding

"I was going to add that you are safe in my hands but then again...




but decided that overkill might not be the best policy ...this time.
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Originally posted by BellusRex BellusRex wrote:

 I'm doubting also whether an H? member would just attack city that popped up near them without messaging them first, so whether a player reads the forums or not shouldn't be a big issue.

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Excuse my late addition to this thread, but I have been away from the forums for awhile...

I'm not sure about the 10 square boundary for myself, but I do know I wouldn't be very happy with a city that popped up within 5 of mine. I've seen the 5 square zone applied in other games, so it's not an outrageous concept, and yes, I think it is a common courtesy to contact potential neighbors before a move, as well as being plain common sense.  But nothing says you are under any obligation to bow to the wishes of an established player city, or to even  take notice of a player's or alliance's territorial claims. They have set a policy and made it known. None of us outside of H? has to agree with or follow that policy. They've stated what the possible consequences of ignoring it are. That's good enough for me. I'm doubting also whether an H? member would just attack city that popped up near them without messaging them first, so whether a player reads the forums or not shouldn't be a big issue.
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Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

Watch out Anjire, one of those assassins might accidentally succeed, and then where would you be?

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With more upkeep and diplomatic score then I hoped for before the exodus.  ;)
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Watch out Anjire, one of those assassins might accidentally succeed, and then where would you be?

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Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Anj-- you just don't know when to pound sand, you suckah pleb! ;)

That's it, my next wave of assassins to disband are heading your way!  :)

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Anj-- you just don't know when to pound sand, you suckah pleb! ;)
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While in LWO during the first mass move, I can personally attest to the power of reasoned dialogue with H?.   Zolvon can attest to this as well, since after the introduction of the new map with all the terrain and regions the devs opened up the ability for a span of a month to use Teneril's relocation spell on all your cities.  It just so happened that LWO and H? decided on Lan Larosh as the spot they wished to consolidate their alliance to.  Specifically the area near the big lake in Lan Larosh.

A reasoned dialogue was opened up and with a NAP in place both alliances were able to claim the spots they had their eyes on which in some cases were within 10 of each other.  H?, if they were the players and alliance some misguided posters claim them to be, could have very well used this as an excuse to wipe out LWO without so much as batting their eyes.  LWO at the time was barely in the top 40 of alliances and I had a little over 1K pop just enough for third city. 

Now I am in H? and very similar situations as the one above with LWO are cropping up.  Rather then wait for the individual fires to rear their ugly heads, it was decided to take a proactive stance.  So, based on prior experiences, such as above, and current experiences with exodus KP made his post.  

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With that said, I am currently working on consolidating my cities in and about Ender/Speaker.  I spent over 4 weeks talking with nearby players that might be affected by my city moves or has cities on spots I hoped to move to.  I believe my offers were very beneficial pointing out spots that in most instances were better then the one I hoped to claim, offering resource compensation and help with rebuilding securing the site for them if they accepted.  If they didn't, I left them alone and modified my plans accordingly.  You can speak with both Lady Luvs and Astro82 for confirmation of both generosity and moving on when the offer wasn't accepted.  

I believe in the utilization of diplomacy to attempt to resolve potential conflict and/or disputes before they manifest; however,  I am not above the use of force and escalation to encourage a more reasoned discussion if the "dialogue" from one side is simply "pound sand", "suckaaah", or  "pleb."
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For anyone interested, just found this thread was quoted in a post on Massively: http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/11/16/free-for-all-some-thoughts-from-the-yellow-pad/#continued
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Originally posted by Kilitov Kilitov wrote:

call it whatever you want.
this is how things will go: wanna settle in 10 squares from an H? town? may pm to ask H? for permission, or get ready for forceful removal.


You can always be sure that you are getting closer to the truth when the H? propaganda machine swings into action with a flood of denials, excuses and prevarications...

Actually I am getting a bit concerned for them because I think that they actually beginning to believe there own spin, but then again - that may be indicative of players who are deluded enough to style themselves as "Director" or "Chief Executive Officer" . Who knows? Still they say this game is sandbox so if you guys wanna believe that Harmless? is the Illyriad equivalent of Halliburton go right ahead and have fun doing it, but don't get sore if others judge you by your past actions,posts,razings, metagaming etc.

KP,Anjire and Director Starry insist that this is all just a courteous, carefully worded, consultation exercise for newbes. The trouble is that those who know you of old judge you otherwise.

I know the truth, others know the truth even a high ranking officer of your closest confederated ally knows the truth. Read it above!

@ KP "You're just projecting again" - Yeah I am projecting and so is Kilo LOL

@ Anjire. The definition of individual words in a message mean nothing if the message itself is deceitful!!!

@ Starry "Understanding concept of courtesy". BT
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