Seeing the good and the bad in H?

Brids17 wrote: Carl Zeis wrote: You Lol, well said. =P

No, too wordy.

This obsessions some players have with H? has to stop! They are alliance like any other and how they choose to play the game is entirely up to them. 

I see a distinction between advocating for pacifism and for diplomacy.  For example, there are voices that call for restraint, for talking things through, for not being too quick to go to war, and for showing mercy toward vanquished foes.  These people are not necessarily pacifists; their more nuanced positions may lead to accusations of hypocrisy from both sides of a conflict.

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Ander wrote: Also what you said about extreme opinions are spot on. Too much of a thing becomes it's opposite. That was one thing we saw during the valar war. The people who advocated pacifism until that time joining together to form a violent pack, still firm in their belief that they were dispensing justice.

Well I guess it's kind of hard not to appear the hypocrite when the standards we fail to uphold were never our standards to begin with.  So while I've little complaint with the things that are being said on this thread overall, this bears address/reminder.

Harmless is NOT pacifist.  We are a military alliance.  Off the top of my head, Toothless is the only pacifist alliance I know, so none of the other Valar war participants qualify as violating this presumed principle either.  Almost every training alliance lists themselves as peaceful, but they tend to define that rather loosely.

The Valar war (as I recall it) was never presented by us as some righteous quest for justice either.  We were aggrieved by a litany of minor to medium political offenses and violently expressed our displeasure, focusing our attention on the individuals most responsible for Valar's offenses.

As it turns out, a lot of other large alliances were similarly aggrieved and felt entitled to their pound of flesh.  I don't recall anyone who was an actual decision maker or alliance representative representing their alliance's actions as some holy crusade.

But then it was never that big a war in the first place.  Without the torrential downpour of naysaying on the public forums and the long army travel times, cough and you'd have missed it.