Saving Illyriad For All

Panacea wrote: Or will you rise to the occasion?

Maybe they will rise to the occasion like you, Panacea. They can make anonymous trolling posts on a forum, comparing people to Nazis for playing a video game involving troops. Your account was obviously created for anonymously badmouthing land claims. Is that what you consider rising to the occasion?

Panacea wrote: Whether a game or reality, life presents adversity - the evils, the bad guys, the haters. The solution should be obvious: the game needs Heroes. People to stand behind these righteous viewpoints and back them with blood, sweat and tears... ok, maybe just pixels.

If Heroes back their righteous viewpoints with pixelated blood, sweat, and tears, then I propose that the game has already found its heroes. We are the warriors actively opposing the toxic Elgean hegemony that has sabotaged tournaments, shoved new and small alliances to the periphery, and maintained a stranglehold over metagame politics. Do you see people rushing to defend that smug ogliarchy? I don't. Maybe the FarmVille players are stepping back because they realize the unelected rulers of Elgea have sucked the joy out of their FarmVille gameplay. You're trying to scare them into fighting by conjuring images of terrifying villains, but people aren't buying that story anymore. I think many of them are weary of a political scene where a few big spenders dominate a whole continent from a throne built of permasats.



Edited by GM Cerberus - 22 Oct 2017 at 19:23

Hey! GMs, does talking about NATO and Terrorism count as a enough to shutdown a thread on rl political grounds? If not, let me know and I'll launch into a rant on Theresa May.

Benedetti wrote: TK, you are not entirely honest when you say you are not a part of what LOKI does. Stuk and others have made it clear on several occasions that an attack on either LOKI, SIN, 300 etc will be seen as an attack on all (and I think you agree with that?), and if needed (which in itself is of course far from certain) other alliances in the SINdicate will step up. As such, you and 300 are a part of the intimidation and power projected by LOKI, and people who see LOKI as a problem rightly see you as part of that problem.

Benedetti, that's not even how real world alliances work.

NATO is a framework of mutual defense. If one member is attacked, the others will respond. The allies do not dictate national policy to the other nations. The only exception is actions that affect either their national interest directly, or the alliance as a whole.

300 will fight for the players who will fight for us. That's especially true of good comrades who have fought beside us in the past. If that makes enemies hesitant to enter Fellandire and start a fight, then good, the confederation is having the desired effect. I have had occasional misgivings about actions taken by other SINdicate members, but those thoughts are expressed in private to the individuals involved. Unsympathetic as it might sound, I will always prefer to fight for the people who will fight for me, over a dozen strangers who would watch in silence as I burn.

War? There was no war going on at that time Gragnog. Not with SKs and as I remember it not with Storm either. My towns were just south of SINs LC, if we'd been at war I would have been a lot more nervous and a lot less surprised at being attacked.

SKs had just split from Storm, I had stayed with Storm for the duration of a tournament, and then joined SKs. I have no idea why you attacked me, noone else in SKs was attacked. It doesn't really matter. It's not like the game requires war before allowing an attack. It was my choice to try to move into BL, and my choice to move out again.

I don't remember if you used Kaggen or Gragnog. I do know whichever account it was was in LOKI at that time. As I remember it both were in LOKI at the time but not 100% sure about that.

Again, I don't blame you for anything, I have no beef in all this, so I have no need to make any "story" any better.

PS raise support against you and co? That's not what I'm doing at all. I fully admit to your right to play this game as you want to play it. I'm not even sure the server getting militarized is a bad thing overall. It just means *I* personally am not interested in playing much, and that posts such as the original post are useless and won't change anything.


Edited by Benedetti - 19 Oct 2017 at 15:15

Gragnog has said all there needs to be said. Posts like this, and the Wolves and Sheep one, are useless as the server will not work together to stop him and others like him from doing what he is doing, nor will any kind of appeal to ethics help.

Gragnog attacked me way back when I had joined the Southern Kingdoms and he had just started LOKI. A player with 2 fully established accounts, his cities safely hidden away in SINs land claim vs me with 5 freshly exodused cities. Not really something I had to think about much or long. I didnt complain, I moved my cities back into elgea, and gave up on Illy. I have no interest in wasting my time gaming with people who take satisfaction from such asymetrical warfare.

I don't blame him, it's just not my kind of game. I don't fault Gragnog for doing what he's doing. We've had entertaining PCs at times. it's just not something I would do. It's a game, and the game allows him to do what he's doing. It just means Illy was no longer the game I was looking for, so I spend most of my gaming time (and $) elsewhere. It's not a problem.

I'm still here occasionally for the chat, a tournament, and to see how long it will take SIN to declare they've won the server. I have no doubts the server will end up fully militarized, and probably SINdicated, and that the game will loose much of it's non-military playerbase in the near future. There is no actual need for traders, farmers or gatherers in this game to support a military player. There is just nothing in the game that would hold this development back or that would motivate people strongly enough to change their ways and find an effective way to deal with LOKI and the rest of the SINdicate. Things change, that's the nature of life itself. (And, contrary to what I just said :D, the game is too old to expect far reaching changes from the devs). Moving on to a game that does suit you is far more rewarding then posting on Illy forums.

TK, you are not entirely honest when you say you are not a part of what LOKI does. Stuk and others have made it clear on several occasions that an attack on either LOKI, SIN, 300 etc will be seen as an attack on all (and I think you agree with that?), and if needed (which in itself is of course far from certain) other alliances in the SINdicate will step up. As such, you and 300 are a part of the intimidation and power projected by LOKI, and people who see LOKI as a problem rightly see you as part of that problem.