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Originally posted by Mafro Mafro wrote:

Originally posted by Ten Kulch Ten Kulch wrote:

Please be specific about where this is happening, who is being exiled, and who is pushing them out. There are relatively few land claims, so this cannot be a global phenomenon.

Please understand, I play and support this game because it's chill and I find the complexity fun. In RL my days are spent taking orders from my boss, my woman, my offspring, etc. I'm not about to put my precious time and resources into a pastime that requires I take orders from anyone. I play and support this game because I find it fun. As soon as it's not fun, I'm going to take my interests elsewhere. As this is a game, I'm pretty sure that's true for all of us.

From what I can tell, SilverCrescentia felt the same. I don't know her backstory, but I do know that an active, independent player was threatened by Loki and simply chose to abandon a couple days ago rather than be forced to play a game she wasn't interested in playing. The same thing appears to be happening to coolpc, who I heard recently changed his name to LOKIkillingme. It's happening to the alliance Fam, the player fishergate (recently newb ringed), and, apparently, quite a few others.

I'm sure there's a better way for Loki's leadership to achieve their goals. Prove your dominance, show your strength to those who oppose you, but don't drive peaceful supporters of the game away or force them to play in a way they don't want to play...it's just ultimately not in your own best self interests.

So, Ten Kulch, there's your answer.

Neighborly Yours,

Mafro


not the reason I abandoned Silv.  look at her history she moved from loki to know right before she abandoned....so who would have thretened her in that short length of time?
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I'm not sure to which one of us Gragnog is talking...

My alt was in FAM Nov 2014 until July 2017.  Wartow joined FAM (Aug 2017) since leaving that major military threat known as MOON.  I joined Illy shortly after the closure of Lords of Ultima and continue to play Crown of the Gods with many FAM members.  This is how I know as much as I do about FAM.

I have no association with Hucbold or HATH's TEA effort.  I question that conglomeration as the solution to grievances being made known by FAM.  Neither do I hold Ten K's efforts to encourage the military aspect of the game as anything other than genuine.  He's posted in his blog much to orient those interested in playing the game in the style he promotes.  He also is not in control of all who are in the SINdicate and the unfortunate tone some set in the forum. 

I will continue to advocate for conquerors to coexist in their land claims with those are not military threats.  Forcing relocation, even if assisted, is not necessary and there are aspects of this game that should permit access to all regions of the map.   

Its a marketplace of ideas... you now know mine.


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I think your bleating misses the point. It does not matter what you spew here. The dice has been cast. You will be forced out of my area. Scream and moan all you like. Try argue your point here all you like. The fact that you seem to know so much about Fam reinforces my resolve. We know you work together and before your plans could be formed we started to take action. You will not use those accounts to launch surprise attacks on us.
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The difference between Ten Kulch's post and Gragnog's is marked and shows the divide and conquer approach of the SINdicate. Ten implicitly denies its happening and demands proof while Gragnog gives the game away. Those of us in BL, far from Fellandire, have been and are repeatedly subjected to the Gragnog approach without explanation, apology or reason. Ten Kulch is either ill-informed or another deliberate face of the sinner's propaganda.
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I've been contacted by Ten Kulch via IGM and will keep the specifics private to the parties involved.  His reasoned and rational tone is worthy of of respect and is worthy of imitation.

Folks like those in FAM and many others in the southeastern quadrant of the BL pose no offensive threat to any other player in the game.  How can they not coexist with the SINdicate?  Is the goal to increase PvP activity and participation in the game or drive people from the game?  I'm not sure addition by subtraction is such a thing in this game.

Now alliances such as EE and (character)Crow may have the capacity, and safety working from afar, to be a thorn in the side and driving them from the heart of your claim may make sense, but FAM is not comparable in any way.
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Well, Loki plays by its own rules. Deal with the players directly involved. I live in Fellandire and thus speak for Fellandire. Any non SIN alligned players have known for a long time this was coming. Fam was offered our protection and help a long time ago and chose a different path. Now I am cleaning up Fellandire. There are many areas free of our influence. If you do not like us then move away from us and into areas safe from us. EE has done that. nCrow has done it. Get over your complaining and either move or kill us. From my side, you can write what you want in the forums complaining but it will not help. I never have and never will give a sh*t what want, I will do what I want. If you do not like it come and raze me out of the game.
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Originally posted by Ten Kulch Ten Kulch wrote:

Please be specific about where this is happening, who is being exiled, and who is pushing them out. There are relatively few land claims, so this cannot be a global phenomenon.

I moved to Jurgor in the south of the BL about two years ago to breathe the free air. During that time I have welcomed all neighbors, provided resources to those that accepted them, and have otherwise been as neighborly as possible. That's as true for members of the SINdicate as for others. I've quietly been exploring the various aspects of the game little by little, as I am a parent and have an active work and family life and don't really have the time to commit to "winning" at this game.

About a week ago I was informed by snot that I might be a "troublemaker", that Loki would be watching me, and that I would be subject to regular visits by scouts and spies. I have nothing to hide, no nefarious schemes, so I said that was fine. No problem. Knock yourself out.

I was then informed that I better move all my cities or join Loki (or some Loki confed) or else I would likely be moved to the newb ring.

Now, the first time I saw Loki in Jurgor was two months ago when snot joined them, her 38th alliance move by my count.

Please understand, I play and support this game because it's chill and I find the complexity fun. In RL my days are spent taking orders from my boss, my woman, my offspring, etc. I'm not about to put my precious time and resources into a pastime that requires I take orders from anyone. I play and support this game because I find it fun. As soon as it's not fun, I'm going to take my interests elsewhere. As this is a game, I'm pretty sure that's true for all of us.

From what I can tell, SilverCrescentia felt the same. I don't know her backstory, but I do know that an active, independent player was threatened by Loki and simply chose to abandon a couple days ago rather than be forced to play a game she wasn't interested in playing. The same thing appears to be happening to coolpc, who I heard recently changed his name to LOKIkillingme. It's happening to the alliance Fam, the player fishergate (recently newb ringed), and, apparently, quite a few others.

I'm sure there's a better way for Loki's leadership to achieve their goals. Prove your dominance, show your strength to those who oppose you, but don't drive peaceful supporters of the game away or force them to play in a way they don't want to play...it's just ultimately not in your own best self interests.

So, Ten Kulch, there's your answer.

Neighborly Yours,

Mafro
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Originally posted by Eradure Eradure wrote:

It is not a global phenomenon, however it risks becoming one. As I said, if this is allowed to become the norm then it is an issue for everyone.

When all this first went down, the Anti-Claimers immediately started making all sorts of grandiose statements about bullying, totalitarianism, monopolization and just generally ruining Illy for all the poor precious farmvillyrians who just want to build in peace. Anti-claimers compared Claimers to school yard bullies and all sorts of nonsense along those lines. Ajqtrz wrote at least a dozen passionate yet trolly and fundamentally flawed treatises on the forums about this subject. GC was consumed by it for months, every argument and counter-argument you could possibly imagine was made for and against Land Claims over and over again. The dead horse has been beaten to death a million times already, you're two years too late.

What I learned from all that transpired back then is that at the end of the day, all that mattered was the blood spilled on the field of battle. If you feel so strongly about this, gold up, gear up, sov up, read Ten K's warmonger blog and come at us bro. 
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If you are moaning about Loki just say it. We are getting any non SINdicate and friends players to move away from us. Most are inactive anyway. We will not have possible enemies close to us. We will help active players move with resources. People have known for a long time this was coming. There are more military minded active players than peaceful anyway so if you claim to want to save the game go kill some cities
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There are alliances in BL who is does not enforces such behavior.
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